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Amazing insights into lack of community in NA games

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Shaynae, Oct 29, 2018.

  1. Shaynae

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    I hope I don't get in trouble for posting this because this was posted originally about another game, but it completely applies to all MMOs I've ever played.

    The original post is from a Korean player and he was asked about why he felt there was a problem with the community in the game in NA. His answer, I think applies to every MMO I've ever played. Scroll down to his "Part two".

    I think it's well worth the read....

    https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/9sbujc/korean_wow_user_back_brought_some_korean_wow/
     
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  2. levinano

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    Honesty, due to the OW PVP element, BDO’s probably has one of the most toxic communities out there. Combine its elements with what’s stated in the post.... you get a freakin antropology senior thesis that you could give TED talks on lol....


    I’ll say more and elaborate more after I get home and finish reading the essay lol

    There are some good points but also some points that can’t be applied to BDO
    (EDIT: pretty much what I wanted to say was said by others. BDO's systems promote the worst in people, just like how you can see people gradually change due to the zombie apocalypse in any film/show, and shouldn't be compared directly with a themepark like WoW. BDO is by no means unique this aspect.

    That's not to say there aren't any normal or good people in BDO. Rather, I think there's at least a 50% 50% divide between toxic people and those who aren't, if not, a 30% 70% divide.... the thing is, in any sort of community, it just so happens that the worst are often the loudest :/)
     
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  3. TaoMachine

    TaoMachine Striker EU

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    Haven't played Aion, eh?
     
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  4. Blitzball

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    Koreans are by far more toxic than EU/NA players. Look at League of Legends at high ranks in KR...zzz
     
  5. levinano

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    I said "one of the" mainly cuz I haven't played other similar titles XD
     
  6. Shaynae

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    This isn't a Korea vs. NA thing...just an observation on what makes a difference in community.
     
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  7. Kurano

    Kurano Kurano Berserker 63 NA

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    A significant portion of the toxicity towards BDO as a game is justified... Unless youre speaking solely towards player interaction. Which I would also argue that the state of the game can very much effect as well.


    I personally expect and like a decent bit of toxicity when it comes to PvP games... They're competitive in nature. Its when someone reaches absurd points of delusion or just spam stuff that it becomes less fun and more just annoying or sad. But theres also plenty of chat block options for that. If you consider someone just farm killing you to be toxic in its own right then... *shrug*
     
  8. United_Strafes

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    Easy especially if it's coming from Korea.

    You see when was the last time you heard of Jimmy Smith from Austin Texas dropping dead in a PC bang because he didn't eat or sleep for 4 days? Never. We don't play games like they do, if you've ever been to Seoul you know it's pretty much a giant casino, games and gambling are imbedded in the culture.
     
  9. Shaynae

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    Last year... Brian Vigneault died during a Twitch stream. This isn't about who has the worst gaming culture. I was hoping to talk about making things better.
     
  10. Stabby

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    PvP games = toxic. End of story.
     
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  11. Shaynae

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    In general, yes, I've found PvP games to be more toxic, but does it have to be?
     
  12. Silowyi

    Silowyi Wizard NA

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    I have to agree with you on your first comment there. I have played many MMOs as well as other online "different" genres for over 10 years. I have experienced high lvl of toxicity in many of those games but not as overlwhelming as in BDO. YOu just have to say the worng word or juts not be on point with someone on the chats and it is on. Thats just putting it simple. It gets much worst just by doing smaller things. I really dontget it most of the time.
     
  13. yukishiro1

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    One of the interesting things about BDO is the chat is pretty much totally unmoderated. Wow and other MMOs don't (or didn't back when I played them) allow the same level of complete filth that BDO does. The only thing BDO moderates that I can see is racial slurs. The same when it comes to behavior - there is basically nothing you can do to another player in this game that can get any action taken against you, while in most other MMOs - even PVP mmos - persistent harassment is not allowed. In BDO, it's practically encouraged.

    Then the other interesting thing about BDO is that again unlike almost all other MMOs, teamwork (outside of node wars, and that's really only your guild) plays almost no role in the game. So there are really zero incentives not to develop a toxic reputation. In other MMOs if you get known as a cheating jerk there are costs to that; in BDO there are none.

    I am not generally in favor of censorship or rules about what you can or can't do in a PVP MMO but I do think BDO provides an example of what happens when there are zero incentives and zero standards at all for player behavior. And I'm not sure it's an endorsement.
     
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    TERA was much much much worse to me than BDO. From people calling others pedophiles constantly on the chat to continuous PK harassment on low levels. Lev 60 pk lev 11 coming out of newbie town for days... lolz... Shirt was epic. There were attention whores in-game posting or chatting their gay experiences in detail like wtf? The trolls, the grammar nazis... The alien ware people dissing everyone else... The forum was super toxic, and the devs deleted posts like crazy. All my posts about game issues were deleted in a matter of hours. All issues had to be swept under the rug. Then it went p2w and died. game's a zombie now.
    There was toxicity in gw2 as well, but it eased with time. In-game anyway. The team speak rooms are radioactive.
    Silkroad was another game with a toxic, no, can't call it toxic, harmful to mental health. Between the Turks, Egyptians, Brazilians, and philipines...the game was a mash of hate and racism. Most players were out to scam you. Due to Dev's incompetence, the game had a limit transaction of 1bill and some items were worth 4 bill... SO imagine the scams and people crying. I lost 2000$ to scammers and hackers.

    So to me, bdo community is like: Normal levels of toxicity. lol
     
  15. Shaynae

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    What always amazes me is how shortsighted people can be about the long term health of a game. I love MMOs and right now they seem to be a dying breed, so it would appear to be in our best interest to keep the ones we like alive and to do that you need players. People leave games because of toxicity.

    I do care about continuing to play BDO. So I hope people will wake up and realize that it's on them to create a community that is playable. Just because you CAN act badly, doesn't mean it's in your best interest to do so.
     
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    BDO is uniquely non-toxic. We have a lot of freedom here and it is so rarely abused player to player. If you consider every minor slight and every open world pvp encounter or rotation dispute a toxic encounter, then so be it, this may not be the game for you considering that's intentionally designed into the core game play loop. But as far as people being openly hateful to eachother, it's not really a thing here. Player to player interaction generally is quite high spirited and light hearted in BDO compared to other online games. You can't look at the outliers and call BDO toxic. When is the last time someone got really going on hateful speech to you over a rotation or a duel? Is it really representative of your overall experience in the game?

    As far as other forms of toxicity, yes like 90% of us are pissed at the devs for refusing to listen to us and making random stupid changes that don't help anyone, even themselves, and they get a lot of flak for it. But frankly, other communities go into racist death threat pitchfork mobs over smaller things, I think BDO community has been remarkably restrained, perhaps to their detriment by letting the devs freely do things they should not have. Not saying we need hate mobs, but a bit more persistence on things like the half done CC rework that forgot to include ranger and poor communication on why certain things are being done like the fishing changes.
     
  17. United_Strafes

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    Ya, that guy died of a drug overdose, not because he was playing video games for 100 hours straight.
     
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    From my experience, there are always toxic people in mmos but sometimes its worse for some. BDO is right in the middle, there are quite a Lot of toxic people in NA chat with awful sexism, homophobia, and racism on a constant basis (reason why I disabled Chat a long time ago), up to players and even guilds hunting down "traps" or whoever they don't like and mobbing them wherever they go. Then there's the games philosophy encouraging to pvp and fight, and eventually gank and do whatever to be toxic to others (it actually does not encourage a positive gameplay). Na community is more or less only about di** measuring.
    The most positive mmo I played is ESO cause I never saw any of this bs ever in chat or gameplay, couldn't find toxic people as of yet. It encourages to do teamwork and this makes the game great.
    Summary: BDO NA toxidity can be ignored most of the time. It could be a lot improved.
     
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    Basically, "dont be a **** to other players"? Wow, how insightful. Helping new players instead of ridiculing and insulting them is better for the health of a game and its community? No ****?


    But then there is this statement which contradicts a lot in that post, and which shines some light on the situation if you can read between the lines:

    Maybe it’s a completely different culture of WoW, but in case of Korea, there are almost no new users to WoW. Every users are valuable to us. We created an environment where we try to help them out as much as possible so that we have a sustainable population.

    How and why do they barely get any new users, if they are trying so hard to be nice and helpful and try to integrate new players into it as good as possible? Also, barely getting any new users to a game is the exact opposite of a "sustainable population".


    So what you can see there is a core community of loyal tryhard fans exactly like in EVE, which understandably try to defend, maintain and keep their game alive, which otherwise would be slowly but surely dieing out. And to prevent this from happening, they HAVE to try to be generally nicer and more helpful to new players and try to create a better community, not because they genuinely want to be friendlier and better people or because they want to build a healthier and less toxic community, but because they dont want their game to die (exactly like in EVE).
     

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