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Any change with "Renown" removed?

Discussion in 'PvP' started by Railx, Dec 19, 2018.

  1. farsay

    farsay Mystic 62 NA

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    game is more balanced, people who come to the forums and complain are just 540 gs and below should not be regarded, full TET gear gets you that number easy with decent accessories, lets not let the crying rune our game and the pvp for everyone, the people who are complaining "now" are NOT geared, they cant play, and they are the type of players who will quit at the first enchant fail or disappointment they face in the game
     
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  2. ThatsAFinePotato

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    DK is still garbage. Does even less damage after renown was removed, so its no better time than ever to buy them exchange coupons and roll off.
     
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    Typical hysteria, can't beat 1 or 2 classes, so must re-roll?
     
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  4. WhySoSeeryus

    WhySoSeeryus Wizard 62 EU

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    well, as a lvl62 261 ap wizard im getting way worse results with mystics, maybe its a witch damage thing. also, ill presume u managed to bound the mystic with voltaic who was just standing there. also, was it in the back? coz 2 shotting a mystic on 252 ap sounds kinda overstreched. was he even buffed? crystals?
     
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  5. Desibabez94

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    I seriously love your comments, they give me hope
     
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  6. ThatsAFinePotato

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    So you must play DK and have played all her match ups huh? Lol nice meme.
     
  7. Fearless V

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    So only the comments of the at most 5% of the player base, that was not only RNG carried. But also was handed free welfare stats from the devs. At no additional work or effort other than being lucky should matter. Did I understand you clearly?

    Comes as absolutely no surprise. That is is the attitudes of the RNG carried players. But at least you actually tried to put some effort into your troll post. So I'll give you so points for originality.

    And who is this EVERYONE? Those 5% and up RNG carried players, one or two tap their TETs and PENs? That now defend the current corrupt enhancement system. Because it gives them completely effortless and skill-less, GOD-hood through winning a few Jackpots in the BDO gear casino?

    Either get rid of the free welfare stats these people get. Or give everyone free welfare 160 AP. And than players like myself will stop bringing up the silly AP scaling system. That only serves to give already super high geared players even more free welfare stats.

    Now explain to us why should anyone regard anything you, a self entitled being like yourself have to say? Because you was able to press a button. And hit the jackpot in a casino? Such logic is beyond laughable!

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  8. DarkGG

    DarkGG Dobbert Sorceress 60 NA

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    Yes balance in this game a still so heavily broken due to over geared players being able to run around and 1-2shot 90% of this games populations. This is when games start to die is when developers listen only to the no lifers or extremely lucky players. I have been playing for almost 2yrs now I'm still stuck at 501gs. Why well cause rng has told me to go f off and it wont let me advance. Is this fair and balanced, no not by any means. How about they implement a server for only 525+ gs so once you hit that you cant play with anyone else. Let's see how entertaining the game will be for all the ppl that rushed for softcap.
     
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  9. Fearless V

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    Your case is pretty much where most of the experienced players, in my guild are sitting at. With more than 2 years of experience with the game. They bounce between TRI and PRI alot. One of them are however really geared about 251 GS. So I'm starting to think cases like your's are not the exception but the normal in this game.

    It kinda make sense too. Since the Pearl Shop have ways, to increase the amount of rolls you get. At the BDO gear enhancement casino tables.
     
  10. DarkGG

    DarkGG Dobbert Sorceress 60 NA

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    Yeah i started a guild most of my members are new/returning I've been helping them learn and within a month they have gone from low 200s gs to high 300s and even touching 400gs now, and now they are also saying omg the grind for gear is like wtf. Bdo wont last 5 or 6 more years if ppl keep quitting the game cause the uber elite that call everyone noobs cause they fail tet on 100fs are still around. In every mmo you have to have a good balance of players consistently moving up in the progression ladder. Not this oh we have 10% of the population un touchable and the rest of the ppl well screw them 9million ppl crying is not worth listening to. We will only listen to that 1mil of the population that is geared.
     
  11. Fearless V

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    Actually like all the other P2W Korean MMOs currently on the market. BDO too can endure far beyond the point of even losing 95% of it current playerbase. Simply because of it's business model. I don't see BDO dying with in the next two decades. However that being said, I can see BDO bleeding off a huge amount of players in this time-frame tho.

    Well this is the case with almost all P2W Korean MMOs. That's why if you look at the ones that gets ported to the West. They usely bleed off most of their playerbase within the first 6 months never to recover it. Normally at this point just bait and switch to completely P2W status to continue making a profit, while keeping their games on life support.

    You can either except it, and struggle on. Or you can quit, and play a MMO or game that is skill/merit oriented. Or you can do what I see a lot of players doing in BDO's case. And actively play other MMOs and games, while Semi-AFK progressing in BDO with it in the tray.

    Personally speaking if this game didn't have awesome visuals, and afk sub-progression systems. I would've been completely quit this game, many months ago. Just like I did all the other P2W Korean MMOs in the past. But since it does, and don't require much time or effort, once setup for the Semi-AFK lifestyle. So I continue to struggle on. Knowing that 9 times out of 10 it will all be for nought. Though I did buy some additional account and character Pearl Shop upgrades. To greatly increase my chances of success. But in the end 200% increase to 6% chance (if actually true, which I believe is much lower than what they are showing us) to succeed is still a 88% chance of failure, nonetheless.
     
  12. LoganSilver

    LoganSilver LoganSilver Mystic 61 NA

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    As a 62 witch who also plays a 61 mystic and one who has played both witch and mystic with 269 ap, you are not wrong. Note I recently switched to pvping more in my mystic, but I am not really sure which class I will treat as my future longterm main (in the past, witch was always my main).

    Fighting a mystic as a witch is much quicker now because without renown, the mystic has an easier time killing the witch even if we land our slow (paralyze/bubble). Pre-renown, if I landed the bubble, which is easy to land against a no forward guard engage mystic, they had trouble killing me. Now, at 301 DP, I am paper. With that said, if I CC an AP build mystic with softcap armor, they are likely dead (barely). If I had 261 AP, I likely would not kill a softcap mystic in 1 combo.


    Fighting a witch/wizard (Witchard) as a mystic is easier than before. Why? A competent Witchard will bubble me. If I am bubbled, I can’t land a full combo before they get up due to slows. With renown, a geared Witchard was hard to kill in a combo when slowed and unless I avoided the slow, killing took time. So in the world of renown, it sometimes took a few engages before I CC’d the Witchard without a slow (wolf frenzy makes this easy against bad Witchards who don’t know how to avoid it). But once I did that, the Witchard died. I could also rank Witchard damage, so a lucky CC from a Witchard would not result in my death. Post renow removal, I can usually kill a Witchard even if slowed. But I have to be more careful with engages as a geared Witchard can kill me in 1 combo if I am CC’d. Doesn’t always happen in 1 combo, but it happens often enough.


    While mystics are still by far the favorites in a fight, in the past, a Witchard has close to no change even at 269 ap. Now, a Witchard has a chance. Just not a great one.
     
  13. farsay

    farsay Mystic 62 NA

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    so the game should be balanced around level 1 and 0 GS? that would lead to a HUGE imbalance, and some classes are slower than other classes on the gear curve, also, the 540 gs is practically when the players end game begins and they start to do more advanced pvp and pve content, all MMOs balance around the end game and the players final destination and goal in the game.

    5% is too low, i think at least around 20% of people are around 500~540 gs, so the gs that i picked represents at least 30% of people, and if people were not so soft and give up so easily, the number would be higher

    me RNG carried? i am at 554 gs now, and i have just blown a lot of my gear " boots and ring", but do i complain about it? nope, i go back and grind then try again, who is the troll here lol?

    i am happy that renown got removed, but they could remove the extra stats for pvp, but we need the ap scaling and the dp scaling for pve

    you are really not smart, and for someone who has been playing for sooo long and with sooo many posts, you really dont understand the game, and thinking that 540 gs is "OMG IMPOSSIBLE GEAR" so i think that you're just deflecting here
     
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    OMG I was expecting another silly troll post from you. And you have actually decided to engage in a civil discussion with me. Damn things like this sometimes, gives me hope for humanity! So allow me to answer in kind!

    I would say at around 500 GS, to be fair to all parties in question. Actually how about we change nothing about the actually gear. Other than completely removing the AP scaling system?

    After all BDO is still a RNG Gear based game. So making gear pointless altogether would make Pearl Abyss ,and Kakao to lose a lot of whales. Which I agree would be unacceptable for their business model. Even tho it would make the game more enjoyable for me. But that's besides the point. I have other MMOs and games to fulfill my needs for skill-based oriented PvP/PvE combat.


    From my experiences in the current, and last 4 guilds. That I have been a member of. I dare say 5% is actually a generous number. For players that are above 540 GS, which was the minimal of your bar.


    Yet there are players in my guild alone that put in massive amounts of work and effort. Blown up tens of accessories and downgraded their boss gear many times over. And they have little (TRI) to nothing (PRI) to show for their efforts.

    Which realistically means to get past your 540 GS bar. One has to be RNG carried, and win multiple jackpots in a row. Some players get it on easy street others don't. However my stance on this will still stand. It's only RNG carried players that get to this point. Unless you can refute that claim with realistic options. (Caphras stone system, is not a viable or realistic option. With current drop rates being abysmal at best.)

    I can compromise with you, on this point here.

    Actually up until about a month ago. I'd say you was right about that. I spent some much time grinding and busting my rear end off. Making little to no effort. However since about a month ago. My eyes have opened up wide. And I started make some progress. (Not in gear but in raw silver/hour gains) With only a fraction of the effort I was putting in prior.

    I understand the a lot of the basics of this MMO. Even some of the advanced concepts of it. Could I learn more? Yes, and my hunger for knowledge is ever harder to sate. The more I learn, the more questions I have. It's such a conundrum really. But I am improving! (Knowledge and silver wise, and not much gear wise yet)

    I never said that 540 GS was "OMG IMPOSSIBLE GEAR", your saying not mines. I stated many times that such gear requires you to be RNG carried to obtain.
     
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    I personally wouldnt mind seeing a weaker variant of a kyndicts gear set being implemented for newer players once they hit level 60 or so. Having too much gear in a game, especially in an MMORPG is not a thing, im sorry to burst your bubble. Thats just how games are that arent card games, sports etc. Since everyone is more squishy now tho a generic AP set/dp set for new players that doesnt expire doesnt bother me. I think a big reason retention for this game is so back and forth is because getting gear gains and retaining those gains is hard for everyone. fortunate players love to gamble without backups, new players are deterred to early to put in the hard work.

    If theres a baseline set that allows relevant entry point for all players to enter and never fall below more ppl would enjoy the game no doubt. But I will reiterate, especially to people like @Fearless V , there is no such thing as too much gear. Its ok to not want the very best in a game. Typically only people who really love a specific game do this, console, pc or otherwise. But please don't be a clown and argue nonsense. Dont care what gaming background you come from, if you have never enjoyed a game to the point you wanted to experience it to it's fullest you were never a gamer, just some casual who is ignorant to the culture. Which is more damning than anything.
     
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  16. Fearless V

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    I halfway agree with you on this. "Having too much gear in a MMO/game is not a thing" in the cash shop oriented Korean P2W MMO cultural tho. (Eve Online, ESO, GW2, FFXIV and other decent to highly user rated MMOs. Tells of a different narrative than you are.) And that's perfectly ok, if that the direction the game devs want to go in.

    In my opinion even tho I do enjoy BDO. The reason why BDO's user ratings are pretty bad. And the reason player "retention is so back and forth" is fairly simple to me. BDO is the only relevant MMO on the market that don't reward effort, or rewards effort so low to the point it barely matters. It's funny you brought up "games that aren't card games" plays like BDO. Because BDO plays just like a RNG gambling card game from a progression standpoint. You hope to get a good hand to play to win or in BDO's case you hope that your next TET or PEN try is successful to win! { https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...jvbUflW_yRaLec/htmlview?sle=true#gid=82981048 } From players that actually play on the global lab server!

    And especially in the minds of Western gamers. This for the most part is a complete turn off. Once they find out this is how you progress in BDO through RNG, and the power such RNG gives a player. With cash shop oriented RNG luck supplements. And that until you get RNG luck in your favor, you simply don't progress in BDO. That's a hard fact while a look at those enhancement percentages. (If they are not even lower than the devs are showing us.) This is not at all fun or engaging for most Western gamers. Which is why most cash shop oriented RNG casino-like P2W Korean MMOs normally lose a overwhelmingly huge amount of their Western playerbase within the first year. (About 80% normally)

    From my experience after talking to some of the newer players about this topic. Alot of them "get deterred too early" because they watch and notice the fact. {Only for a example }That John has just one or two tapped his TET or PEN with low FSs successful which make him a GOD. While Peter after 2 years of consistent grinding and playing. Has failed to enhance TRI pieces like 15 to 30 times. And has not progressed much leaving Peter who has put in far more work than John. Not only nothing to show for it, but also susceptible and subservient to John who simply one or two tapped his TETs/PENs.

    This simply don't bode well with most Western MMO gamers. After talking to some of these players who barely play anymore or have quit entirely. I have came to these conclusions. And even tho BDO can and will survive a long time. On the game market in the west. Because of it's aggressive business model. It will always be dwarfed in terms of active playerbase numbers, and user ratings within the Western regions. When compared to that of one of the MMOs I've listed above. That actually rewards effort that players put into those MMO.

    I mean we can argue in circles about this, till the cows roll over. It's all in vain for the most. As the devs. simple don't give one iota of a care for the satisfaction of it's Western playerbase. They just care about milking our wallets. Therefor none of our opinions nor feedback, on these forms actually matters. I know, truth can be hard and cold. But that's just the reality of it. You either enjoy BDO for what it is. Or you do like most Western MMOers have and do. And simply don't pick it up, or leave BDO for a skill/merit based MMO.

    TL/DR : ALL IS VAIN!
     
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    PS# Sill don't believe me? That's fine! Than read it directly from the elephant's text.

    https://steamcommunity.com/app/582660/discussions/0/1741105170033871601/
     
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    You are one of the few peoples who's posts I value on these forums
     

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