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Anyone else feel their RNG is HORRIBLE?

Discussion in 'General Gameplay' started by Slixit, Aug 13, 2020.

  1. Rubyvulpa

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    I recommend trying out this enchant calculator or this slightly more visual one and have some fun with it~
    it's entirely possible to get a streak of bad rolls / good rolls.
    You need to enhance a lot in a row to see how it averages out on the chance that is portrayed.
    (Which is not very feasible for most)

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  2. Hajiarux

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    [​IMG]

    RNG is SCRIPTED TO MAKE BILLIONS.
     
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  3. Waldenor

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    1st: Never trust your own perception of enhancement rates. If you feel something is off start tracking your results as the perception is manipulated by several effects.
    2nd: While a very unlucky streak is no prove and chances of 99,99999% are different from 100% as they can actually happen, I cantotally imagine that enhancement is bugged on certain player, item, times. But that possibility is not considered by the most and reporting anomalies will probably not lead to investigations. And if they found any bugs in enhancing they would probably fix it without notice. Imagine the reaction of the players if they admitted wrong chances.

    tldr: if you can't trust enhancement start buying items
     
  4. GnatGoSplat

    GnatGoSplat DarkKnight 62 NA

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  5. Vortexii

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    Why do you assume the coding and descriptions are correct? In fact WE KNOW THEY ARE OFTEN WRONG!

    What do you think it means when they constantly posts updates like "3rd hit wasn't applying Stiff effect" or Sorcs doing 2x damage on Violation because it's counted twice.

    IT MEANS THERE ARE COMMON ERRORS ALL OVER THE PLACE LOL

    Look at the patch notes once in a while ;)
     
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  6. zhagsten

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  7. Serendipity

    Serendipity Syllabus Sorceress 63 EU

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    I did not say anything about coding and descriptions. I said the RNG is not biased - you do understand that RNG stands for Random Number Generator? It says nothing about how the generated numbers are used. That being said from a developers point of view I would find it very strange if they don´t just display the probability that they have calculated anyways for the enhancement but instead add extra code to calculate another threshold just for displaying something. else. There is no point in doing that.

    What you a referring to with the damage numbers is a lot more complicated than the enhancement. The enhancement is 1 conditional: If random number is less than chance succeed, else fail.

    Damage calculation with all the ccs, accuracy, resistance, number of hits and so on calculations are several nested conditionals and different counters where bugs are far easier to happen. Pair that with the constant rebalancing they are trying to do it is no wonder that a lot more bugs are happening in this part of code.
     
  8. Vortexii

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    There is a lot of incorrect information in your post.
    • Less complicated? Enchantment rates are affected by multiple factors. Ah so clean and easy........... oops that was manos gear totally different calculation......... ooops nope it was Tulvia my bad different formula........... ooh not it was an event upgrade............ oh on my mistake it was a quest upgrade............oh no it was blackstar wrong ingredient table.
    • How can you claim to know coding and not understand the number displayed in the UI is merely a variable that stores a value that represents your chance of success in the calculation? The actual calculation is processes by a formula on the server which includes THE ABOVE.
    • "The enhancement is 1 conditional: If random number is less than chance succeed, else fail." FALSE - Where did you account for whether fail stacks where even being applied to the formula................ YOU DIDN'T. Where did you account for which calculation was even going to be used? YOU DIDN'T. Where did you account for what TYPE of item was being enchanted? Green? Blue? Boss? Other? YOU DIDN'T
     
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  9. FrozenReaper

    FrozenReaper Archer 62 EU

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    its online casino afterall, cant expect to win jackpot
     
  10. Vortexii

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    When the customers are failing miserably Pearl Abyss is Winning ;)
     
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  11. GnatGoSplat

    GnatGoSplat DarkKnight 62 NA

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    Regional language difference maybe? I'm in NA where a handicap is an advantage given to someone in order to improve their chances of winning. Supposed to be for encouraging beginners.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handicapping
     
  12. Serendipity

    Serendipity Syllabus Sorceress 63 EU

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    All the stuff you said shows that you know nothing about coding.
    Sure, you have to calculate the actual probability for the item first and store it in a variable. That variable is used for the actual enhancement and the display in the UI....unless you are a dump developer and write duplicated code for it. But even that code is simple enough, I don't even thing there are different formulas for the different gears, just different scaling values, thresholds and base enhancements factors. Very easy code.
     
  13. WhySoSeeryus

    WhySoSeeryus Wizard 63 EU

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    my rng is so good i bought majority of my pens and all tet accessories but one.
     
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  14. Joungf

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    I am at war with RNGesus. He never loved me and I never loved him .... ;-P
     
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  15. TerraNor

    TerraNor TerraNora Musa 60 EU

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    Same here, often lost in doubt and integrity.
    I definitely don't like enhancing, it's freaking terrible if you ask me.
    But RNG is everywhere in BDO...

    RNG is nothing personal. You weren't born with a good or bad RNG....or in-game luck. There's simply no such thing.
    I think you can't say RNG is good or bad either...because it's all about random numbers/values.
    It's the game creators who decide how a RNG system behaves and how they implement it.
    They value the numbers to chances and certain succes rates.
    And there's nothing you can do about it...not even influence it.

    And yes...I believe the whole RNG system in BDO is ridiculously unfortunate, implemented as intended...and with that I mean: it sucks big time, a very clever against-all-odds-low-chance-succes-rate implementation!!
    On the other hand...there's a lot of compensation just to feel good again...
    Or...you can buy yourself in but that's not an option for every one...certainly not for me.
    But if you're the grinding type and having the time, like me, then eventually you get to your goals.
    Beside grinding there's lots of other things to make enough silver to accomplish.

    But, hey...come over it. I did :)
    It's not worth the headache and stress...
    See...I seriously like this game, definitely not for the RNG but for all other aspects and things I can do instead of doing RNG related stuff.
    Of course...Sometimes I have to but then again it's just a game!
    Just have some fun again.

    ;-)
     
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  16. Aysnvaust

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    RNG is Karma by diceroll.
    Karma? You ask.
    Yes - how often did I throw my hands in the air, looked up to the ceiling and whimpered "Why, just Why.?! What have I done wrong ? I have always been a good boy, and you punish me like that - AGAIN ?!"
    If that is not a conversation with Senpai Karma, then what is...?

    tl;dr: I stopped enhancing 347 years ago.
     
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  17. Tracey

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    at the topics question: "anyone else feel there RNG is horrible?"

    yep so much so I've been playing other games that are less punishing to my overall enjoyment, its a funny concept, squash a persons fun and make them sad, and they find something else to make themselves happy,

    very innovative, maybe in need of a slight revamp lol.
     
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  18. Mjollnir

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    I'm on a bad streak since 28 Feb 2016, when I tried my very 1st enchant :D :D :D
     
  19. Stuman

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    As soon as I saw that this was an enhancing event, I just deleted the items and kept on doing what I'm doing.

    Gave up that bastard side of the game ages ago and now just buy from the MP.

    RNG in this game ruins it (as does the constant in-game giveaways because they know no one enhances any more).

    It sucks, but it's just the way it is and until a slightly better game comes along, we'll mostly put up with it. I say mostly as we keep losing guildies every week. :(
     
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  20. FairlyEnjoyable

    FairlyEnjoyable Lahn 62 NA

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    Mate of mine got full PEN Tuvala, graduated, then a couple days later pumped out full TET boss gear and said the boss gear was easier. :D It's all RNG. You never know what you'll get until you try.
     
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