From my own experience: I go to grind. Find my spot. Person comes and starts grinding. I leave them alone until it becomes clear they don't care about how much better off they would be somewhere else. I now have 2 options. Kill them, which is probably not going to happen (they see me. Therefore they are looking for a fight. Therefore they just got a shiney new toy or they are just super confident) Or i can switch channels and continue farming the EXACT same rotation. They usually just walk away, btw. I'm a Mystic lvl 57 and i have no awakening skills. Most ppl assume I'm 49 and I'm not killable anyway. In fact I've never had to defend my spot. Yall just move on. Im being polite. If this was lin 1 i would kill you just for showing up on my screen. I want to kill you as soon as you show up on my screen, but I know how courteous you all are. An awakened tamer flagged up on me at helms and i blew him up like a mob with absolutes. Was funny. Probably won't work on most people... But that's what happens sometimes when you go for an "easy target." As it stands, the karma system is decently just. The only thing i don't get is why you can only get to like 300k positive karma, but i can have a million negative. Seems imbalanced if you ask me. I just know from a lin1 perspective you could drop all your gear if you were red but if you saw another player you could use a normal teleport scroll that could literally teleport you ANYWHERE in game. Including towns where guards could attack you, but people couldn't. In this game you go red and they really, really want you to stay there. Especially cause you go to kill mobs to work it off and you encounter the same ****: People want your spot and so on, but now there is no flagging involved. They get free reign to kill you and you either have to die and go to jail or kill them and take the karma loss. You can argue "run away" but that is totally dependant on your class vs theirs. You can kill them and stay there to grind. They will come back. Probably with friends. I would love the server to see i "punished" you. You can kill them and swap servers and hope you don't need to repeat the proccess. In regards to "karma bombing" it just means you are literally only there to be a pos. You died. You lost. You are going to come back knowing i (or he) will kill you again because you think it's funny to make me go red. Yes. You are the problem. You want to "win the fight" by seeing if i will go neg 1 million on you. I will. You should switch channels. Not me. I bet it works 50-75% of the time. You grind. You grind. You see me. I kill you. You go "ill show him" and cone back and flag up and die again. "Ill still show him," you say. You come back and start farming my rotation even though you could switch channels and have the same rotation still, but now you just want to GRIEF me for playing a pvp style of pve. Yes. You are the problem. But some of us probably kill you till we would go red and then we switch channels because we are scared. And you FINALLY get that big W you were F after after wasting 30 or so minutes of your life being a passive aggressive (explative deleted) that just can't be bothered doing what the rest of us do when we get beat. Except most of us get friends. We have those. Mostly because we don't karma bomb people.