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Black star armor will destroy archer and ranger

Discussion in 'PvP' started by Saggy, Mar 31, 2020.

  1. Saggy

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    Archer and ranger rely on huge damage to take down opponents before the gap is closed as they have absolutely no durability. The bar on defense will be raised so high squishy ranged classes will lose their only advantage.

    Here is a link to the new armor for those who haven't seen it, this is LIVE on KR

     
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  2. Netreiam

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    1. Barely anyone will have black star armor. Those that will already have high DP so it's not going to be anything new

    2. Relying on classes to be unable to even counter attack you to win is how and why ranged classes get nerfed. Maybe instead of being able to 1 shot from range they should have tools to better evade in melee, halt advancement, and create distance quickly. That way they actually use mechanics to win instead of "Let me use these one or two skills and win"

    3. Even comparing Archer to Ranger when it comes to how bad they are at creating and maintaining distance is insulting when one class has multiple moving FGs, SAs, and even an I frame that work from range while the other isn't even properly protected in melee.
     
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  3. Rilok

    Rilok Ranger NA

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    Won’t know until it’s live since we don’t know if the armor is DR or evasion. Either way, I plan to just get more ap/accuracy to progress with the increasing DP gear that will become available. Don’t stress too much about it.
     
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  4. AtomicPotato

    AtomicPotato DarkKnight 62 EU

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    Its screenshot of Death god armor, not Black start armor.
     
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  5. WhySoSeeryus

    WhySoSeeryus Wizard 63 EU

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    you are correct, some people will have enhanced death god (not black star) so fast it wont be even funny :D
     
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  6. AtomicPotato

    AtomicPotato DarkKnight 62 EU

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    Funny part, is people expect they be given Death god armor on arrival, like they can bypass requirement of VC10 boss armor to V Blackstar armor, and people who already prepared/have VC10 boss armor don't rly care about it.
     
  7. Alterist

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    DUO Fallen God's Armor is the same as PEN C20 Dim Tree Spirit's Armor. On PEN it'll have 9 DP, 12 Evasion and 9 DR more compared to PEN C20 Dim Tree.

    And generally, if DUO Fallen God's Armor were to kill Archer and Ranger, the PEN C20 stuff would have done so already.
     
  8. WhySoSeeryus

    WhySoSeeryus Wizard 63 EU

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    im not saying they will get it for free, im saying gear gap will jump pretty fast.... and it will be the same people that already have advantage in gear :D
     
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  9. Saggy

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    I am talking about the current state of things I would love kit changes but I doubt we will ever get thema s we don't even have succ or rabams. Not everything is a duel. What will happen in node wars when you can't run up to your target??
     
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  10. Saggy

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    DUO fallen god will be much more common than c20 pen dim tree......
     
  11. WhySoSeeryus

    WhySoSeeryus Wizard 63 EU

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    "coming soon" also death god gloves, boots and helmet :D
     
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  12. Saggy

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    Stop making lists you sound silly. Your post is nonsensical, you're saying ranger is bad so archer should be bad as well??
     
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    Dannyswe1235 Kunoichi 62 EU

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    thats not blackstar armor thats armor of the dead god
     
  14. AtomicPotato

    AtomicPotato DarkKnight 62 EU

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    No, its wont really effect "gear gap at all", assuming that VC10 is like 670GS getting 10 more GS won't matter, at hight GS gap is kinda dropping, while "softcap" team get face rolled by 650+ club. So 570-62 GS getting faceroll by 650+ is intended
     
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    That can't be true though, remember when Caphra's came out it was backed up by Pearl Abyss saying they understand and want to make the enchanting process easier. And to give alternative ways to upgrade.

    Meanwhile Black Star can't use Caphra and is much harder to enchant.

    Fallen God Armor is EVEN MORE difficult to enchant and can go back to Base.

    Naturally, you would agree that Pearl Abyss lied to everyone in their statements ;)
     
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    WhySoSeeryus Wizard 63 EU

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    caphras isnt here to enhance gear, that was a fairy tale for naive. u can count gear enhanced to pen by caphras probably by fingers on your hands for whole servers since implementation.
     
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    That's true, but it could change in a single update. The amount of Caphras actually has gone up a slight bit. Via events, added to bartering etc.

    The main issue though is that not only are they not at all a part of Black Star weapon, the Black Star are even worse for enchanting. While everyone is having a disgusting time getting PENS they made it even worse.

    Now Fallen God Armor will be another level of disaster. The failed 40 attempts at PEN will become failed 240 attempts at TET or PEN Fallen. While it will be the current best armor in the game the disparity between those who succeed/fail will just become worse.

    It will result in someone getting TET+ God Armor that spend 2 Billion vs someone that invested 180 billion in just pure fails. It's just not good for the game. It's good for abusing a few whales and people addicted to ruining their lives with gambling, but not for the long term health of the game.
     
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  18. WhySoSeeryus

    WhySoSeeryus Wizard 63 EU

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    system is already luck based and highly unfair. there are peope in full pen weapons and armors with less clicks than it takes some guys to get their first piece.... and this rng fiasco will, i agree, be even worse with these red quality new gear.
     
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  19. Vortexii

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    It's the Pay2Win monetization destroying the core game play. On one side you have new Seasonal servers increasing the chances to succeed because Pearl Abyss knows it's a problem, yet they are conflicted with the plague of Pay2Win that makes them literally do the exact opposite at the same time.

    Think about what Seasons Servers actually do. They hide all the problems from new players. They want to hide the toxic PVP. They want to hide the actual enchant rates. So new customers won't run away immediately.
     
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    what? dude the stats are right there in the picture
     

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