You know when you play other games and they all say "well at least its not as grindy as the korean, chinese and japanese games" and you think ... nah it aint that bad. BDO to me is that bad. Some perspective, I'm a new player. I tried 2 years ago and did OK until I hit level 56 back then and didnt know what to do with my time in Black Desert. I came back 2 weeks ago because my mate knew I had bought a new rig to play games on so I did. Already I don't want to be here no more. I asked for help to guide me to in-game stuff to get involved in after the main storyline but I decided to start some of that stuff before then. I chose Alchemy and Fishing. The simplest alchemy ingredient to progress requires 4 things. Salt, Sunrise Herb, Purified Water and Weeds. Buy it from the market sure, but what if you dont' have enought to buy all those random things to make LIQUID REAGENT and very base and trivial ingredient? It's the base of base ingredients and the amount of time just to create one for a casual gamer or someone who is new and doesnt understand how to get these things... its too much. I was thinking you know what sure i can spend some time making this stuff and griding it myself but then energy costs for griding out weeds and grasses, getting the water and herbs..... you're already gated. That is for the most basic of items for a skill. I know some fo you are gonna come along and tell me how easy it is for me to get these items but unless im spending on the market or devoting lengthy times gathering this stuff in a myriad of different zones, its long and hard. I want to see the end game and all my skills high but honestly, it's not happening, the path is too daunting.