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Can someone explain me how market works? seems like its not.

Discussion in 'General Gameplay' started by MENT, Nov 15, 2019.

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  1. flukeSG2

    flukeSG2 Tamer 62 NA

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    I agree communism has proven itself to be a failure, so it's a good thing the system isn't communist, just regulated.

    They need to do a better job regulating their market, but then again they need to do a better job with a lot of things in this game.

    Oddly enough, if you think about it, many things in the real world are worth less than the parts that are used to build them, take cars for instance.
     
  2. Lord_Xenon

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    For someone coming from an ex-communism market you negate the fact, that your capitalism isn't still free. Water etc. isn't in control of capitalism but state etc. How can this be? Funny thing: The regulations on markets like tax etc. for imports are a regulation as well. God forbid you get everything cheap from cheaper countries etc.
     
  3. Roechacca

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    My goodness ... People have been oppressed so long they can't get water without government ? LOL Dig a well. Why I live in the desert. Have my own generators, make my own fuel and have plenty of water. Private company owns the Internet not government but it's not like that's needed to live. Yes, free market can and will solve everything if your not a potatoe growing under bureaucracy.
     
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  4. Schinrah

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    Not sure what you think you are argueing about here? I made 0 statements regarding wether or not I approve of capitalism, I only stated how communism is a failed and flawed concept that has proven time and again that it doesn't work and that I only have to look at our own history to find plenty of proof for that.

    Oh, and if you want to bring examples mby skip on the water part, it just shows off how little you seem to know about the intricacies involved in that.
     
  5. Denthors

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    what about China? you gonna tell me they fail ?
     
  6. Kynreaa

    Kynreaa DarkKnight 61 NA

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    ...Umm, thanx to government, it is "Water", you are buying, not anything else clear labeled under false pretense to get one addicted. Or that no commercial dumping is contaminating your home dug wells to save some bucks.
     
  7. Pavo

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    This thread is wonderful!

    So many people don't seem to understand that Communism and Socialism aren't the same thing and argue using the wrong definition.

    Communism is a form of government. Like democracy.

    Socialism is a form of economics. Like capitalism.

    Because U.S companies doing business in China are owned by the CHINESE Government 51%. If you don't allow the Chinese government to own 51% of your company you can't do business there.

    Except that China also took over Hong Kong which was a capitalistic economy, so they have a a section of their economy that is a mixture of socialism/ capitalism.

    You do realize any tax break, any sort of money you get in the U.S is a form of Socialism... right?

    Most people have been so brainwashed they honestly don't see tax breaks as a form of socialism.

    Go figure.

    There is no true form of Communism, Democracy, Socialism, nor Capitalism in this world.

    In practice they get all mixed up for the most part. Especially in our lifetimes.

    The New Deal is Socialism at it's Best.

    Unemployment insurance is also a Socialistic Program.

    Any tax break of any kind is a Socialistic Program.

    Medicare is Socialistic.

    Need I go on.....?
     
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  8. Roechacca

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    That's a bit self diluted. The reason my well water is great is because of my filtration system. They can have a nuclear war over my house and my water will be refreshing and cool. Next.
     
  9. flukeSG2

    flukeSG2 Tamer 62 NA

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    Name one market free of restrictions and regulations that have worked how you describe it will.
     
  10. Pavo

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    Actually if you read the label on bottled water you would notice they give the source, even if it's nothing more than a City's water more filtered/ filtrated.

    Seriously, they have to name the source.

    Not anyone fault most people refuse to read labels.

    It's like the Natural Flavoring added to so many things, yet there is nothing that grows Natural Flavoring, it's a very closely guarded Food Industry Secret WTF this is!

    Like the word Natural is not a word that is defined nor acknowledged by the Food Industry.

    It literally does not mean what you think it means regarding food, yet it is used on most U.S products to fool stupid people into thinking it has no additives, artificial ingredients.

    Yet when you read the label on most products that use the word Natural it's filled with Artificial Flavors/ Ingredients.

    Yet not one official is willing to do anything about these outright lies and misuses of words to sell products.
     
  11. Roechacca

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    obviously you've never been to most of Mexico where everything is for sale including government benefits.
     
  12. Roechacca

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    I don't buy bottled water. I was alive before bottle water was for sale. My waters free. There's no shut off valve. Why would I buy water? That's like the dumbest thing I've ever seen.
     
  13. Roechacca

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    People that don't live near a water source are just the most special kind...
     
  14. flukeSG2

    flukeSG2 Tamer 62 NA

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    Some people might have to buy bottled water because the groundwater under them is contaminated...like where I live, hello? Not everyone lives in the middle of nowhere.

    Also, again I ask you to name one market free of restrictions and regulations that works like you describe it will.
     
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    China has been communist in name only for decades now. State directed turbo capitalism with a heavy focus on total state control over all aspects of peoples life's is how I'd put it.

    China has a large oligarchy of multi billionaires that is ever expanding. Usually people that are directly involved and connected to China's Communist party and run state backed corporations. The idea of some people being billionaires alone is already completely contrary to the idea of communism where the "people own it all".

    The China under Mao was communist, and I don't think we have to discuss how well that went for the estimated 50+ million of chinese citizens that died from starvation and other factors directly caused by his policies.

    After China opened up to the west under Deng Xiaoping and started to allow a limited form of capitalism did the country start to grow and propser again.

    To me it is an absurd notion if anyone actually thinks China is communist in anything but name these days. It's an autocratic regime that has fully embraced capitalism wherever it suits there needs and totes communist ideals whenever that is useful for them.

    Pretty much. Especially americans seem to have some kind of constant misunderstanding going in that regard, they always seem to equal socialism, or socialistic aspects to communism. Meanwhile most european countries have at least one party with a name "sth. sth. socialist party" most of them having nothing to do with actual communist ideas of state.
     
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    Kynreaa DarkKnight 61 NA

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    ...No it is not., and no you could not survive that.
    You were sold a lie.
     
  17. Schinrah

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    Depends on how well isolated that water filtration system is, you can proof such a system against radiation and other environmental impacts, it's really just a cost factor in the end. :D You can also build bunkers that would survive all that, but a couple weeks or months in you'd run out of supplies and then it's gg anyway, best case if sth. like that happens is you get turned into goo instantly and don't have to deal with all the **** anymore :)
     
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    Kynreaa DarkKnight 61 NA

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    Thats all fine an good, but has nothing to do with @Roechacca , or the point of this OP.
     
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  19. Pavo

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    I don't get what this has to do with anything?

    When the USSR fell apart, and **** up until today probably, you could buy a tank off a Soviet General on the Black Market. What does this have to do with our topic?

    I mean if this is what you understood from what I typed, you need to go back to 1st grade and get retaught reading.

    How could you miss my point that all if not most bottles water has to put in the source?

    You make your own fuel? The **** drugs you on? Also, if you actually do make your own fuel, please give us a break down of everything you need to buy, the place and value of your warehouse/ manufacturing, all the tools and such.

    Now if you can provide us with that, we will be able to tell you if it actually does make sense.

    I mean my parents have a house in wisconsin and still use a wood burning stove to supplement their heating. Does this mean they make thier own fuel too? ( they cut down the wood, not buy it as well)
     
  20. Fearless V

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    @flukeSG2

    This is the results of the market you love.

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    Because of this market. I'm am going to either have to luck out waste a decent FS. On items I have no intention of enhancing, and hope it goes to TRI just so I can sell it. Or what will be the most likely case. I'll lost half the item's value in it going back to PRI and waste the FS just to sell it.

    Lesson of the story here. We need a free market! I am very sad panda. Nearly three weeks and still can't sell my items at prices people will buy them at. Because current marketplace sucks.
     
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