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Cash shop starting to get under my skin

Discussion in 'General Gameplay' started by marielou, Jul 9, 2017.

  1. AtmaDarkwolf

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    i would be more than 100% ok with a cash shop that was high octane on neat designs (shows some dev working on art) - unique 'extra' small bonuses(On costumes) some unique pets(with the 'minimal pets' available easily in game for a lv 55 toon) and weight available in game (again fora 55+ toon) but with more in cash shop. Even bag space im ok with.

    The value pack imo should be taken OFF the mp (IE not able to post) but let us gift it, and leave it priced as it is. xp boosters, kam tree, storage/market maids, horse gears(costumes) branding stones, skill resets, etc should all stay cash shop.

    But no distinct 'barrier' should exist in the game. Make cash shop purchases a pure 'desire' thing and I almost 100% guarantee u will get more sales (At least if they are 'fancy' and unique enough to make people want them)

    As a person who's spent.. wayyyy more than I should (I just looked at my total input into game and I'm really quite shamed to see I've spent so much) I do think the 'barriers' in teh game are exactly wahts going to ruin it for anyone. Yea I am the perfect customer to them, I've dropped my wad, now i got salty, and will quit eventually due to them 'pushing' me for so much cash, I mean they ALREADY got my money, who the Fk cares if I leave or not, right? - But newer (more wise than me) people will see just how much is 'required' to spend and be like 'ya no fking way I'm gonna spend 200-500 bucks just to 'enjoy' a game, I can buy into most others for a flat 50-80 and never spend another dime'

    But will they see this? Hell no. Truth is, PA/Kako don't give a flop what us NA users think, as long as this version profits them hand over fist, they will continue, the second this game isn't a MASSIVE profit, they will drop it.
     
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  2. JillValentime

    JillValentime Valkyrie 61 EU

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    30€ for a skin is just a new World Record for me... Never seen something like that before.
    After all this years, playing so many game, i have finally found the price who's definitly "too much" and even mentaly blocks me to just think about purchase something.

    Good job !
     
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  3. midgard229

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    I never bought any weight or inventory increase, any of it. All i got was a maid on black Friday and it's fine.


    Just use a horse for the weight problem.

    You get plenty of free pets also.
     
  4. Smilence

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    Fair assessment so far. I think we will see more game company does this in the future, it's a fantastic business idea!!! However needs a fantastic game to support it, which Kakao has both.
     
  5. Blitzball

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    The problem is WEIGHT LIMIT.

    You CAN'T grind at Sausans with only 500 LT, you just CAN'T
     
  6. Nacario

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    You make good points! Some of your points about weight limit are reasons why I dont grind at sausan for ex, as there you have 3 different trashloot-handin items, where I prefer to grind at spots with only one item so that you can overstack on your horse for hours (because I branded my gear huehue) and put it back in Inventory when leaving the area.

    The game offers many ways to suck your money, and it def requires you to throw in a good 300 400 dollars to have most. But be wise about your purchases and you may save heaps of money, such as only purchasing during 20 30% sales. When you look at it in context vs all other mmorpgs out there, then you see that BDO is not really bad. And like I said, once you invested that good 300 400 dollars you are set unless you really want the fluff beyond. I'd rather do that than having to spend money on sub and feel like I'm renting something.
     
  7. Ronald

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    I have to agree with a lot of what is being said here. There are a few REQUIRED bought conveniences, like added weight.

    I payed Blizzard 10 years for a subscription to WoW.. and felt it was too expensive.. but after BDO and its cash shop experiences I would rather have the subscription model...
     
  8. Scorcher

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    Over 10 years you paid Blizzard 10*12*15=1800$
    If you spend here 300-400$ you are set more or less for life and you would prefer subscription? o_O
     
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  9. Ronald

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    You dont get the point though. Blizzard were straight and upfront about their cost, with added discounts for annual bills.

    If you think BDO is based on a better model then you are blind of the reality.. not only have they given you a game where life annoyances are tuned to the max, but the price of unlocks are quite high. I am left with a feeling of getting double dipped, much like others have expressed in this thread already.

    The game isnt more than a couple years old (EU) and I've already spent more than what Blizzard asked for the same period of gametime. Who knows what the future brings..

    Just my humble opinion anyway.
     
  10. Shenya

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    I just want to add my 2 cents to a couple of things on this one.

    First, just like QoL expectations, p2w it seems is subjective. The first few "Free to play" MMOs I ever played, either had, or at some point introduced a "Pay to win" element. It was so called because there were cash shop items that significantly increased a players power. I'm not talking helped someone reach a certain equipment level faster (because for me that's just not p2w, like I said, subjective), I'm talking armor sets or costumes that gave significant bonuses and massively overpowered weapons that were not just cash shop only items, they had the advantage of having no close alternative available by any other means in the game. It quite simply was, you paid.... and you received items that no one else had a chance to compete with unless they bought the very same items.
    TL;DR I personally don't consider a game pay 2 win, unless it has overpowered items that are not obtainable any other way.

    Second, the 16hrs of play vs credit card argument. I have absolutely no problem with this. If a player wants to use their credit card because they only get a few hours of play a few times a week, I honestly don't see why anyone that spent 16 hours a day has any issues. That's extra people at the same competitive level isn't it? Otherwise it seems to me, those people will be complaining about the lack of challenge or lack of population or simply only want to play the game when they have a huge advantage over people and lose interest the moment they actually get some competition. I'm in no rush personally, I don't care if people are way ahead of me because they started way before me, play way longer than me or put way more money into it than me.
    As for the paranoia about someone using credit card AND playing 16 hours a day? I think it's fairly unlikely, because at some point the credit card people want their money back. (Yes you could argue that they are using someone else's, as far as I'm concerned, more power to them).
    TL;DR You need a job to pay a credit card and therefore are unlikely to play 16 hours a day, I'm perfectly happy with them spending money to catch up or indeed get ahead.

    DISCLAIMER: I have used the cash shop, I haven't purchased anything other than cosmetic items.
     
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  11. Blessed [GP]

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    It's a rather strong compulsion that games have exploited for a very, very, very long time. They used to only be in these ancient places called "casinos" that have fairly strict regulations and laws ensuring they don't get out of hand.

    Give governments another 10 years to catch up and they just might have those same regulations fitted to online Korean-style RNG "mystery box" bullhonky, too. Perhaps sooner if it keeps picking up in popularity and utilized by western devs (DOTA 2 as a prime example).
     
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  12. Narsi

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    just not truth.
    1. streamers -lot of them play no life and spending huge money.
    2. pc rats jobs- many people work with pc -earn very nice money, most of time work form home. This people have no problem work and play.
    3. just rich people/kids ... dont need to do anything just play, i knew few.

    i was in some top EU guild ... it really doesnt matter at what time u log in ...some people are 24/7 online there ... and no they are not doing afk fishing...
    most of times those are people who won node wards, and have basiclly everything from cash shop.
     
  13. Hakazumi

    Hakazumi Ranger 58 EU

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    I guess you never played in games from Nexon.

    In Elsword costume from cash shop costs around 30 euro / dollars. Costumes from cash shop have stats, nice right? But there are also boxes that have 7% to get costume pieces, costumes from these boxes have much better stats, there is even 1 set, that if you have it you can win with much worse gear than your opponent.
    If you want to get whole set you need to pay min 300$ and hope to get all pieces, some people have spent more than 1k$ just to get 1 set from these boxes.
    There was even a story of a guy who spent 5k$ and still couldn't get box costume for weapon.
     
  14. Shirolicious

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    Just to quote on this part and answer. It does stop but it takes quite a bit of money before you get there (admittedly). Its funny because I never understood why "Free2Play" is so popular. I don't know about the average joe here but for me Free2Play has always been WAAY MORE expensive then "Pay2Play" MMO's ever were... I really was OK with spending 15 euro/monthly on subscription fee...

    For the amount of money I personally spend just to get the all the good stuff I could play a P2P MMORPG for atleast 3-4 years.
    Its the communities fault for letting every company these days jump on this payment model and we for accepting it.

    To summarize:

    > 4 Pets (preferably T3/T4)
    > Maximum Weight Limit
    > Atleast 1 outfit to feel special
    > All the functional costumes
    > all the storage spaces in all cities (192 slots)
    > All extra worker slots (you could do without but its 3 free workers each area)
    > Possibly multiple horse slots if your a bit into horses (completely optional)
    > Artisan Memory for 3x faster durability repair (endless) <-- you really miss out if you don't use it. But its optional.

    And then, the last part if you REALLY wanna be chill is having like 20-25 (200-230 euro) storage maids so you can basically farm nonstop and just dump everything into the warehouse and sell it later when your done. Each storage maid can transfer 100lb to storage and has 20 minute cooldown. so you need to be able to grind nonstop and have the first storage maid get off CD again.

    Anyways, in total it could be like I dnno, 650 euro?

    But then... once your at that point you don't really need to spend more money.. just maybe a new outfit here and there or Artisan Memory!
     
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  15. Narsi

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    more like 1650 euro.
     
  16. Arcticcz

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    Plunge .... dude, can you please delete your accoutn already? Many of us would be really grateful :D

    Running biz. ... a real one where oyu need REAL materials is one thing, ... running virtual store is ... reaaaaaaaally cheap bro.
    Need prrof? Check out stuff like LOL, CS:GO, DOTA 2, HOTS, etc. etc. .... etc.

    And OP is on point here, this game does "invisibly" push you tu buy stuff to un-block the minimum of minimum possible limits you are givin at start.
     
  17. Arcticcz

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    Man, you didn't really play this game did you? I bet you have seen youtube vids and now you comment here while jerking off to your genius online.
    Anyhow, all of your answers in this thread are trash ... now, here you go *hands over a backpack* ... "The door is that way"
     
  18. Kritas

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    I agree and will never buy a game that uses this cash shop model again.
     
  19. Mami_Sada

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    I don't know for you all but we are still playing the game there for we keep spending money, the game cash shop is impressive in the point of view of a business they are able to keep a player base big enough to keep the game alive and us player we a unhappy about the cash shop but we still say hoo that costume give me 10%exp boots better buy it.

    we need to change our way of buying in any cashshop of any game to show the industry what we want.
     
  20. Hayate

    Hayate Warrior 63 EU

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    By set for life I pressume you mean never actually wanting to reroll right? Cause if you do, apart from pets and maids everything else goes bye bye....
     

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