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Check your class and correct it, please and thank you.

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by Muhaha, Oct 26, 2018.

  1. Muhaha

    Muhaha Valkyrie 62 NA

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    Didn't count guard in awakening, c swap, or Ebuff. Becuase every classes has S block, C swap, and ebuff.
    When it comes to rebam, I counted whatever skill had more acc/crit/smash/dmg% over defense.

    Only counted the first defensive if it has more than 1, because the first defense depends on whether your skill goes off or not (unless its spammable and has a sec def for the spam, like musa dash).
    Also put () for iframe's lowest cd or for something questionable.

    Warrior (counting pre-awakening guard)
    Iframe:1 (2s cd)
    FG:5
    SA:6

    Sorc (not counting vile plan or cartian's protection)
    Iframe:3 (tele has no cd)
    FG:2
    SA:3

    Ranger
    Iframe:2 (3s cd)
    FG:2
    SA:3

    Zerker
    Iframe:2 (10s cd)
    FG:7
    SA:12 (4 are grabs)

    Tamer
    Iframe:3 (3s cd)
    FG:4
    SA:10 (1 is aborsbing dog, 2 rebam)

    Musa
    Iframe:3 (3s cd) (charged snubarrow evasion counted)
    FG:6 (retaliation counted and retaliation stance)
    SA:4 (no cd for dash SA)

    Maehwa
    Iframe:3 (3s cd) (charged snubarrow evasion counted)
    FG:9 (retaliation counted and retaliation stance
    SA:5 (no cd for dash SA)

    Valk
    Iframe:0 (only iframe is on SA skill) (lowest cd 12s)
    FG:11 (5 are movement skills, 3 are shield chase, 1 dlc, 1 shining dash, 1 purficiatione, just counter, preawakened block, divine slam, (judgement counted but is useless, counted wave of light, even tho it doesn't have guard at the start)
    SA:5 (heal, pa, enslar, verdict, hast)

    Wiz
    Iframe:1 (7s cd) (ult teleport not counted)
    FG:3
    SA:7 (did not count pet summon but did count PA)

    Witch
    Iframe:1 (7s cd) (ult teleport not counted)
    FG:4
    SA:6 (did not count pet summon but did count PA)

    Ninja
    Iframe:5 (1s cd) (didn't count block jump or ninja evasion, didn't say a defensive on the skill)
    FG:4 (counted illusion of restraint rebam)
    SA:6

    Kuno
    Iframe:3 (1s cd) (didn't count block jump or ninja evasion, didn't say a defensive on the skill)
    FG:4 (counted assassin's trail rebam)
    SA:7 (did not count absolute shadow explosion)

    DK
    Iframe:4 (2s cd) (counted chain:dusk) (didn't count awakening Dusk:Hallucination)
    FG:8
    SA:4 (didn't count rebams, ones w/out defenses seemed better)

    Striker
    Iframe:4 (4s) (counted hidden claw) (didn't count flow:back step)
    FG:5
    SA:15 (some are flows, but skill before it is spammable so still counted them)

    Mystic
    Iframe:6 (4s) (counted hidden claw) (counted flow: strikethrough)
    FG:6
    SA:15 (some are flows, but skill before it is spammable so still counted them)

    Lahn
    Iframe:2 (1s)
    FG:6 (didn't count Flow:4 point splatter)
    SA:12 (phantom dance is like musa dash, SA on cd, even tho iframe is 1sec cd)


    Source: https://bddatabase.net/us/skillcalc/

    PLEASE CHECK YOUR CLASS AND CORRECT THEM!

    Remember though, as a valk main, I still counted preawakening guard, ALL my movement skills. Also verdict, and Judgement of Light were counted even though they're useless af. And counted the charge FG on Wave Of Light. As well as Ellion's blessing (PA) and breath of ellion (heal)'s SA. Eveything, even counted stuff I don't use.

    Just looking for an overall defense count for classes. Need help with some things, for instance I dunno if block jump is an iframe or not. Or if my guess was right with the rebams. (just copy your class, correct it, need to make sure everyone's match up/agree)

    ~Thanks :D


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  2. Arzurag

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    They spread defense across the classes like strewing candy on a cake .

    I fear, that there's no hope for proper balance any time soon.
     
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  3. WhySoSeeryus

    WhySoSeeryus Wizard 63 EU

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    how is teleport+ultimate 2 iframes? if it could be cast independent, ok, id get it, but its strictly tied to the original cast.
     
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  4. Muhaha

    Muhaha Valkyrie 62 NA

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    yeah that was my bad, fixed it, thanks
     
  5. Bestkk

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    Warrior has 6 SA? What in the actual ****?
     
  6. Netreiam

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    Hence the title name. He’s reading off the skill descriptions and just counting with a few rules set in place.
     
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  7. Muhaha

    Muhaha Valkyrie 62 NA

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    Went back through it. Double check it and see if it looks more right. Accidentally counted pulverize's flow: tempest, so had to take a FG off.
     
  8. MarsKiller

    MarsKiller Ranger 62 EU

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    Rangers dash is a SA not a iframe. They just haven't update the tooltip yet.

    The only iframe Ranger have is EES. What is a 12 sec CD.
     
  9. Muhaha

    Muhaha Valkyrie 62 NA

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    Just checked again in game on my alt.

    Gonna leave it as is, unless you have definitive proof. Other than that, both websites bdocodex, bddatabase, and in game say the same.
     
  10. MarsKiller

    MarsKiller Ranger 62 EU

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    I checked as well. But seems like i confused myself with a other skill. So ignore my post.
     
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  11. Muhaha

    Muhaha Valkyrie 62 NA

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    No worries, rather be questioned than people just ignore it :D
     
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  12. AZzalor

    AZzalor Hyneria Maehwa EU

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    The question is, did you count partial protection or only full protection.
    I noticed that, for example on ninja/kuno you counted flashslash as an iframe and although it is one, it is not while they actually do something. There is a chargeup that is unprotected, they disappear for like 0.1 seconds (iframe) and then do the attack which is unprotected as well. Generally there are a lot of unusable skills because they are only partially protected, not only for ninja/kuno but also other classes.
    But if you just take a skill that has any protection on it, then, at least from the classes i know, you are correct.
     
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  13. Netreiam

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    I believe it’s just any skill with protection.

    Shining dash is only FG while moving and wave of light while charging. Both were included.
     
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  14. Tacarmato

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    The thing is that it's not how many FG and SA you have, but if you can actually use them in PVP. You can have 100 SA and 100 FG but if they do no dmg and are slow as f*ck no one will ever use them. Some classes need some proper pre awakening rework... I mean look at any new class' pre awakening skill tree compared to the older ones.
     
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  15. Decem

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    This thread is pointless.

    Let me tell you why (as warrior)

    1. Grave digging - SA with gap at the beginning
    2. Slashing to death - SA only on 1st half of the skill, landing is unprotected
    3. Reckless blow - SA while charging only, actual damage is unprotected
    4. Kick - SA, self explanatory. Short duration, no damage
    5. Shield tide, first part of animation is SA, almost no damage, float rate is terrible
    6. Seismic strike - No one using it. Not even in PVE

    So yea we have "6" SA but 2.5 of that is viable. Regarding FG - only viable is heal and shield charge. Rest looks good on paper.

    Tldr : 2.5SA and 2FG .
     
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  16. Muhaha

    Muhaha Valkyrie 62 NA

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    So I counted IF it had a defense, and if it had more than one, only the first one was counted. Unless it had a spammable defense, like the musa, his dash is a 3s cd iframe, but SA while cooling down.

    Only flows with defenses that should be counted are ones that are cast on their own (without the need of a preceding skill), or if the preceding skill is spammable and they can cast a defense after it. Like Mystic/Striker's Twisted collision can be spammed and use 2 flows with defenses.
     
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  17. Muhaha

    Muhaha Valkyrie 62 NA

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    If this helps anything in anyway or form, that'd be awesome, but this is mainly for my curiosity. And yeah, don't get me wrong, I still counted useless trash skills my class has but aren't usable. I know the feelz.
     
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  18. Muhaha

    Muhaha Valkyrie 62 NA

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    Gonna bump this up, see if i can get more people to see it/correct anything.
     
  19. Spartakatz

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    pure numbers don't matter. am ranger main, that listing looks like ranger would be almost as protected as a sorc, but it couldn't be more different. sorc is the top protected class at the moment, with constant iframes, being able to stay in the middle of several people, while ranger is immediately dead when 2 people are nearby. what counts is if there are gaps between the SA/iframes or not, and how big they are.
    1 spammable iframe with no gap is an entirely different thing than an iframe with 3s CD but it lasts only 0,2 seconds.

    also, seeing immediately the bias in the OP and what class he plays, because only one class has comments with "useless skills", where i'm 100% sure that most other classes have a lot of useless skills in that list too. just stay objective, and include the fact, how long you can stay in some SA skills (or a chain of them).
     
  20. Asterotis

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    You forgot Lahn and their almost infinite i-frames and healing abilities.
     

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