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Death of a game: Archeage - the same is happening to BDO?

Discussion in 'General Gameplay' started by WastedJoker, Sep 3, 2017.

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  1. Shinkuji

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    For 3 t1 pets yes someone just spended 400/500€ for t4 pets and they have a big advantage on you farming without even need to manual loot this is the problem if you want 4 t4 pets for free gl you have to wait 1 year+ for 2 or more pets from attendance reward or snipe from the marketplace but we have a bottleneck that small you should just use your real money and guess what? not everyone have 400€ for an online game
     
  2. Nessuno

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    You guys must stop trying to reason with The Others, it is plain useless, it is like they are paid to repeat their demagogic slogans like a broken record.

    These people sustain that the ability of buying every gear at max enchant from MP with silver coming from selling pearls items on the MP alone and without ever touching the game is not winning the game, but is just a convenience.

    Yet at the same time they also sustain that the convenience sold in the pearl shop is so optional for winning the game to be practically irrelevant, and for this reason they are defending its existence with all their strength like it was their only treasure.... because it is irrelevant!


    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
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  3. Spartakatz

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    yes it's hard to draw the line. but no cash shop items can ever make up 8+ hours play time per day, e.g. if you are working and play only 2-3 hours. i simply can't call a game "p2w" when I personally see no way to further improve via cash shop, or even catch up to hardcore players.

    p2w for me is: when I pay enough, I get better equipment. no stuff like huge time investment and huge luck should be needed
     
  4. Domonkazu

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    not anyone can play 10h/day too, for some those pearl items are just catch up mechanic.
     
  5. jarvs

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    ERMERGHERD THIS IS NOT P2W THSI IS P2 CONVENIENCE!!111111
     
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  6. Escapism

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    perhaps we need to invent a new term, just like WK's do all the time.

    lets call it "p2advantage", since those things are clearly advantages, not just convenience. Yet "BuT wE CaNT wiN At bDo".
     
  7. Korvgubben

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    Have the standards fallen this low? Is buying ingame currency for real money now the norm?


    House ranking.
     
  8. T800

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    You bought those Pets, got then to T3 - you are a whale now, you P2W.

    If there is a player in this game that didn't P2W, didn't bought this pets, didn't bought the costume - he is waaaaaay behind you now.
     
  9. T800

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    Are they really real? It's not like you are trading in real gold or silver for virtual items. You just click few buttons on your computer, and you get rewarded with more virtual goods. Virtual money for Virtual goods - sounds normal.
     
  10. Korvgubben

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    They are real in the sense that they hold the generally agreed upon value. Gold and silver arent money, they are just materials commonly used to manufacture physical money. Other than that its just a material like many others with a fluctuationg price that is commonly used as a currency.

    Not gonna go into inflation because 06:18 in the morning...
     
  11. CreepingCthulhu

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    seems you visit cinema, bars and concerts for free, im not even talking about buying steam games.
    because they dont offer you any goods, except heavy hangover, so nothing to pay for, lul.

    kids nowadays are so pathetic.
     
  12. T800

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    Looks like you are like many others doesn't know the difference between currency and money:

    Currency is simply paper. This paper money is a tool for trading your time.
    Currency has no intrinsic value!. One of the biggest problems with currency is that the governments can print more and more of it whenever they want or need to. Historically there have been thousands of currencies and all fiat currencies (which are not backed by gold and silver) have gone to ZERO! That’s a 100% failure rate for fiat currencies!

    Money is a store of value and maintains its purchasing power over a long period of time. Silver and gold is the optimum form of money because of its properties. You can store a large amount of value in a very small area. Only silver and gold have maintained their purchasing power over the last 5000 years! This is because silver and gold are limited in quantity – there is only a finite amount of silver and gold on planet earth!


    But i wasn't talking about this. When you purchase stuff with your Credit Card, you are using neither money nor currency. You are trading Virtual goods. So buying one virtual goods with another is normal.
     
  13. Shastalya

    Shastalya Warell Musa 50 EU

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    God this is hilarious....

    Truly an Endless Debat.

    -"Hey how was your experience playing BDO ?"

    -"Is BDO P2W?"

    - End of story.
     
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  14. Wollbert

    Wollbert Ranger 62 EU

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    as they changed classes they only look as the KDA from Korea which is far different from EU or even NA. there are actually Warriors with some Team-spirit in Korea dont sitting in block behind the range classes and going to shoot their 100% to killsteal all time. but on EU only this happens. cant tell about NA.
     
  15. Yanni Plum

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    P2convenience would be IF there was no way to transform real money into ingame value.
    The moment you can transform IRL cash into ING cash and buy anything that makes you "stronger" it becomes P2W.

    If the cashshop doesn't affect gameplay in any way - it is not P2W (for example, just cosmetics).
    If the cashshop affects the gameplay in a way to make it easier - it is P2convenience (aka pets).
    If the cashshop affects the gameplay in a way that you can transform it into ING value - it is P2W (aka buying costumes/VP and seeling them in the MP).

    If the benefit it gives is bigger or lower, doesn't matter.
     
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  16. Korvgubben

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    Its not the same because you dont buy "goods" you buy a made-up currency that has no value outside the game. It is also a 1-way trade which gold, silver, paper bills or the number on my internet bank isnt.

    Another reason as to why gold and silver remain at a relatively stable value isnt just because the amount is limited but also because there is just the right amount of it. A rly rare metal would likely fluctuate more in value.


    Not disagreeing about the currency vs money though. My 06:18 brain only thinks like:

    STAND UP.
    GO WORK.
    MAKE MONEY.

    :|
     
  17. AngelloAtheross

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    Feels there are a lot of Wendy's out there in the world.
     
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  19. 2Cents

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    It's not $30, it's over $3,000,000
    He isn't willing to pony up $100,000 let alone another $30.

    The ACTUAL cost would include pets for the entire player base NOT a single player.
     
  20. Erandyer

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    BDO won't stoop to the level of Archeage/Trion until they decide to heavily nerf hard/sharp drop rates and put the items into pearl store RNG crates.

    I hope to Bob that they never do this.
     
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