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Deleting Wine Is The Answer?

Discussion in 'General Gameplay' started by Gretsia, Jan 21, 2020.

  1. Phoenixxx75

    Phoenixxx75 Lahn 61 NA

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    I second this statement.
     
  2. Kerenis

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    Especially when all those night fishing/processing "stonks" can be earned in an extra hour of grinding and actually playing the game
     
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  3. MaxChestSlider

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    If you insist that BDO mines crypto currency on your machine, go ahead I really don't care how you play. It's completely optional.
     
  4. Soulscar

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    To earn back the cost of investing in full tet manos gathering gear & accessories at an hour (maybe two) a day will take until December 2030. With high-quality wine it would still take 6-9 months gathering 12 hours a day with market prices dropping for goods. With P2W pots you could probably get it down to 4 months, $350000 and no sleep.

    The silver investment alone is wayyyy too much in a best case scenario. Even with no energy cost there ain't no way the normal joe has that amount of free time outside of a retiree with a decent PC and internet connection. I mean that much gathering is basically suicide by tedium. I think it would be more fun teaching a socialist basic economic theory.

    Next time get cloud insurance, seems like a safer investment.
     
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  5. Gretsia

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    I've spoken about gathering probably sooner than everyone when Blitzball or how he is called after having 5 hours of gathering experience & the insane of 900 mastery (lfmao) he made a statement ''oh gathering is op & huge income,should be nerfed''.

    I am just greatly dissapointed because all those trashtalkers doesnt have a clue how lifeskill works & they just have opinion with the conclusion of nerfing (ninja nerfing actually) one of the most important lifeskills (previous week bartering got nerfed as well & boxes from imperial gone also).

    Its really dissapointing that people talk when the same time most of them are clueless.Like...gathering meat its an activity that stops there.They dont have absolutely no idea that a dedicated lifeskiller after gathering need to cook tons of side meals to make guru boxes to give imperial,combined with farming as well & cooking that drains most of the players time.

    Tbh i didnt expect that PA/Kakao would do such a stupid moove,instead of considering a viable solution.

    Personally i have really high lifeskills with close to 1700 mastery & the same time i am 63 lvl with 618gear score & more that 2k skill points.
    So i play the game generally & i have a good opinion about lifeskilling & grinding as well.
    Conclusion?My grind gear costs 140bil & i can do more than 160m/h at high end grind spots (with good rng 190+/h) & i get exp & sp plus some daily quests with some cp.

    My lifeskill gear costs 130bil & i used to do 170m/h (-33m energy so about 140m) & if i decided to sacrifice my income to boost my cp (cooking,alchemy) at least i knew that when i will go back to gather i can have proper income.
    So suddenly the income gone!!
    130bil of lifeskill gear & a lot of time to lvl lifeskills gone.

    As i said earlyer DELETING an item is not a solution.You cant DELETE an entire grind area because it produce big income instead you have to nerf it (bmc from hystria recently etc etc)

    With the same idea you cant DELETE an item that 90% of the dedicated lifeskill community use.Instead you can either nerf it of put some restricts.

    But w/e i guess p2w Kama blessing,p2w tent with villa buff,p2w energy pots ( and who knows maybe some more p2w in pearlshop at next paches) will solver the problem for the sake of CONVINIENCE!!!!
     
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  6. NightFyre

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    I made a choice to spend billions on my full TET Manos gear for my lifeskills including the gathering/cooking/alchemy/crafting and even fishing chest. Debating whether to get the hunt and sailor but the choice was mine to spend and I based it on the returns, not the short cut returns or the exploited returns or the quick fixes but on my time I spend ingame using the actual mechanics as they were meant to be used. The only HQW I bought was for some quest ages ago so I have no sympathy for those touting their expenditure on items is negated by the change. If its too hard now for some lifeskillers then go grind or look for another shortcut or exploit and sell your Manos gear, take the loss and move on.
     
  7. Deyric

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    You do when the game changes that much.
     
  8. Korvgubben

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    Yes you do it when the game changes, not 1/3 year after it has already changed.
     
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  9. Lord_Xenon

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    I don't think that 2 month ago everyone posted the strategy to make big silver with gathering. So that got out of hand and forced That something can't be right with HQW would everyone check when they made 500M off it while only paying like 100M at max.
     
  10. Debra

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    I feel like my energy grind has finally become valuable, so I have a hard time sympathizing, sorry.
     
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  11. Columba

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    584 energy on 6 characters. No worries here.
     
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  12. Korvgubben

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    Would you mind rephrasing that?

    This is just so barely related to the topic... I mean the energy cap has been above 500 for years.

    For new players then maybe this would be relevant if it werent for the fact that removing the HQW makes it impossible for new players to powerlvl their gathering like the existing playerbase has been able to do forever.

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  13. ghoulz666

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    Well, never make one thing your primary income.
     
  14. Kynreaa

    Kynreaa DarkKnight 62

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    So..that's only about about 4 hours of gathering straight burning 700 energy an hour swapping gear to all your alts? Then you're down for what..about 5 days?
     
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  15. Columba

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    naw.
     
  16. Rubio

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    These only look at their wallet.
    They said it was a difficult decision to safeguard the market prices, it doesn't seem to me as the prices of the perarl items continues to rise, I find they are liars at least found more truthful excuses.
    The question that some ask when you get out of the boxes to leave the management directly to PearlAbyss or other publiscer?
     
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  17. LucidKill

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    Just work on your knowledge and make gathering alts or just drain your alts instead. 19 x 590 energy is way more than I should gather in a single day. Health and sanity over unlimited gathering.
     
  18. Kynreaa

    Kynreaa DarkKnight 62

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    So, its gone from an ingame feature, to one requiring pearl investments?

    How was it unlimited gathering? It cost silver did it not..Thats like saying cron stones are guaranteed enhancements, So they as well need to just be removed?
    Lets say they do that without any sort of adjustments made to fix the void left behind aside from dumb pearl shop solutions like an energy tonic that has a cooldown disproportional to peoples gathering speed. Or in the cron scenario they just get rid of em, and put FS in the pearl store...Sure its not a direct replacement..but WTF.

    I mean..yea that is what they just did. And will continue to do. They have to inorder to profit. Its P2conveniance monetization run amok.

    What was the problem with like a 10 second or 1 minute cooldown timer on exchanging them?
     
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  19. Lord_Xenon

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    Sorry that's just BS. Just because it cost silver is no excuse that a core feature(energy) got turned into nonsense.
    Why not ask for a grinding buff of 50% trash loot drop amount increase over 2h for 20M?!
    Or 100% trash loot drop amount over 2h for 30M?

    What you simply say is: Why removing duping when we can all profit from it?!
     
  20. Kynreaa

    Kynreaa DarkKnight 62

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    They did do that..remember the PTW tent buff now.

    And does duping consume a limited resource?
     

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