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Did internal studies take into account the enhancement market?

Discussion in 'General Gameplay' started by stonedboss, Aug 27, 2018.

  1. Draconnix

    Draconnix Berserker 62

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    Why are you so hostile again guilds ? It's not people fault all spots are dogshit, you can spend 24/24 on spot and never have accessory drop even if you kill 5k+ mobs per hour (for example crescent spot)
     
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  2. ManlyBeard

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    Working hard for stuff isn't the problem ... the problem is that you can have pri gear, grind for a month straight and then end up with that same pri gear ...

    There's no reward for hard work, the only reward is that you realise how trash the game is progression wise and leave / uninstall. Because you can have all the billions you want, there ain't crap on the market to buy & try to enhance in the first place.
     
  3. MoZex

    MoZex Wizard 61 EU

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    u raise some really good questions but i cba to even make a thread about it cuz they dont give a flying f about us. Straight up ignore. The only thing one can only hope for is that another decent company comes with a product that can challange bdo and fill the needs of the exisiting playerbase. Till that day comes, this is how they chose to run business/communication with their "unique" product.
     
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  4. AZzalor

    AZzalor EU

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    That's what people say who don't put work in.
    Yes, RNG is a factor but if you actually work hard, you will be rewarded in the end. The chances are not so bad how everyone makes it seem...5-6 tet attempts and roughly 500-600m in costs for one tet. Yes, you can get unlucky and fail 20 times in a row, but then you onetap 2 more tets. In the end if averages out.

    Problem is that people get annoyed by it too fast and give up.
     
  5. WhySoSeeryus

    WhySoSeeryus Wizard 64 EU

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    it never averages out for some people. and it really sux when your 2 weapons cost you 3b+ each back to back. with a sprinke of failing basi belts on the side 6 times in a row for a TRI. meanwhile billy bob gets dande at 47 and nouver on 69 and one taps basi from one afternoon full drops coz rng is awarding effort! :D
     
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  6. Frazan

    Frazan Kunoichi 62 EU

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    Well like i said and i say it again for the ppl who colmplain about enhancing : " Use back up " thanks.
    And The problem here is that the players complain a lot send tickets for all and nothing cry for everythinkg that's hard and more catch up mecanics.. so there you are.
    If ppl complain just about things that have sens we wont be here right now. Enjoy that sh*t.
     
  7. Solsi

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    No, it doesn't average out. Sure, if everyone would attempt for example TET x1000 times, it would likely average out ok in the end, as in positive results wouldn't be grossly different. But people cant make enough attempts for it to average out statistically. It's not even remotely possible for higher enhancements.

    Also, lmao at Kakao+PA comparing basic data and calling it "internal study". Than using it as an excuse to add more p2w. Studies require(at the very least) some form of research.
     
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  8. CrestFirill

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    Lol can confirm, 107k trashloot dry for a ring, then 51k dry now again like 4.5 hours dry for another.
     
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  9. Escapism

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    Wrong, thats not how probabilities work. Probabilities and rng in everything mean that its absolutely possible that one player might never succeed a single TET in his lifetime, while another player one-shots all his TET's first try.

    Of course thats not "going to happen statistically", but it CAN happen. There is absolutely no mechanic in the entire game which would completely prevent this from happening, or which would actually ensure that your attempts would even out on average as you say.



    Let the game run with the enhancement as it is, check back 2-3 years later and see that most current players actually have decent gear, with most of them having some TET's or even PEN's, and everything seems alright, progression seems to be possible and fair, right? Except you didnt consider at this point the 95% of the entire playerbase which quit and left due to mostly either boredom or because they were the ones in the "unluckier" spectrum of enhancing. People who have average or above average "luck" in enhancing are much more likely to stay around longer, and once those are the only ones left who are still playing active, they make it appear as if enhancement was just fine and even.
     
  10. WaifuJanna

    WaifuJanna Luxienna Witch 60

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    u can buy them at npc, get them from most events, or melt old costumes u dont like anymore.


    What more do u want? get 100 for 100 loyality?
     
  11. WhySoSeeryus

    WhySoSeeryus Wizard 64 EU

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  12. CirillaReturns

    CirillaReturns KamiComplex Valkyrie 62 EU

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    Please stop being reasonable, we can't have that.
     
  13. Kn0xxPT

    Kn0xxPT Striker 62 EU

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    Failing 16 attempts in a row for DUO on Bhegs, and 10 attempts for DUO Muskan's, since they introduced pearl Meme's ... this "rng" bs is based on pearl event sales. there is enchants NERF every week. And yes, MP is "empty" because of the continued failing to enchant ...and they say we don't jump into enchant. Kakao/PA really should talk with community before getting statements from people in the office that only see numbers, and don't understand those numbers.
    btw, Im fine with RNG, but there are limit's...
     
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  14. Mimiro

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    I'm sorry, I'm missing something I think. Can someone explain the entire situation? I'm aware that they are adding the ability to get Cron stones from melting cash shop outfits, but how is that P2W? Honestly idk how it is, since you can buy Cron stones with silver in game already...

    Have they released the numbers on how many Cron stones you get when you melt a costume, or whatever? I can see it being P2W if it's like more than 45 or 50 Cron stones... but I get the feeling that the amount of Cron stones you will get for the cash shop costume is going to be proportionate to how much silver you would get for selling it. For example an outfit that sells for 25mil on the MP would get you 25 Cron stones (since they are 1mil ea).

    If they haven't released the numbers then there's really no reason to complain.
     
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    Well as far as I know they haven't released an actual number of crons for costume melting in NA/EU. Also they are upping the price of costumes(and other pearl items I believe) though that's not what people are complaining about(though they havent released the information on how much it's increased) since pearl items are limited to selling 5 a week.

    However with cron stone melting people get valk's cry(adds FS to a stack up to a max of a bonus +10) which something they promised not to release in NA/EU, though most people seem to be fine with that, what bugs people is the fact that people can melt as much costumes as they want, this is expensive and doesn't guarantee you a PEN it just allows you to have alot of cron stones, so basically if you are willing to spend a large chunk on melting cron stones you can do a PEN attempt without silver, and since we don't know how much cron stones people will get from melting costumes we don't know how much it'll cost some people are fine with it's so expensive that it won't affect the game and lead to a very very very small amount of people having a PEN

    However a thing is they did promise to never add this stuff but they also promised a global build so that everyone will be on the same build, and that pretty much means that if we want content at the same rate as KR then we have to take the same cotent as KR, even the shitty ****, unless KR gets an exclusive build and everyone gets a normal global build, or global build is the same for everyone with certain stuff not in cash shops. Though I doubt that we will ever see a real global build pushed out, where we get the same content at the same rate as KR, Thats about as likely as putting the channels groups(Kama, Velia, Mediah, etc) on different servers spread out over NA for NA so that people on the west coast don't have latency advantage.
     
  16. 6footgeeks

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    In their opinion is pretty easy to grind hards and sharps of you only need 15 to 25 of them, hence shard drop rate is OK
     
  17. RealXared

    RealXared Witch 61 EU

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    let's say you have 1kkk silver in your storage and infite amount of real money.
    You have a limitation on how much cron stones you can buy for in-game money, but you don't have a limitation on how many outfits you can buy to melt from real money.
    This is how it is p2w
     
  18. Reyer

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    Not 25 cron stones but basing on other regions - 270. If you were to sold all your crons to vendor you would get 27kk. And with 270 crons you're saving 270 mil from every costume you buy and you can buy them without any limits.
     
  19. Luxea

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    If enhancements succeeded more with the valk's cry addition, you might see more mats on the market since fewer people will fail and need to consume more mats...just saying. And its fewer hards/sharps/memes to tap with cron stones as well.
     
  20. Draconnix

    Draconnix Berserker 62

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    What makes you think those people have storage full of those ?
     

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