Curious on the community's opinion as a whole, not individual flaming. Skip this thread if you don't want to have a civil debate or are incapable of handling discussion on controversial topics It's an age old question and a core element of this game, it's a flamebait topic, it's been brought up countless times but never settled... But it's also far from being irrelevant... So, who [do you think should] gets the grind spot O_o? Might makes right [If you think whoever is a stronger PvPer should get the spot, who grinds the fastest should get the spot] PROS: - You geared up, practiced in BA, what for? Exactly for this moment. CONS: - Grind spots are always taken by higher geared/vet skilled player, not new player friendly [(new players are going to be less experience with PvP and less geared to grind at vet speed, so then, where do they go?)] - Vets going to low level spots and griefing players yelling "spot taken." First come first serve [If you think you have the right to the spot as long as you were there first, even if that means karma bombing a PKer who tried to Might Makes Right your spot] PROS - No problem with seniority, new players can grind with peace, unless they run into a d1ck. CONS - Too care bear, makes open world PvP, gearing, and learning your class meaningless. - 15 minute channel hop, hop to another channel that has all spots taken by first come first servers, well too bad, no grinding for you. This thread is just to kind of identify what the universal unspoken rules are for grind spots (or at least what the majority of the people think they should be), and what makes you a bad person for doing certain things. [Here's something to think about: for a lot of people, their game lives precede over their real lives. They buy more clothes for their characters than they do themselves in real life. They value in-game "fun" more than their own hard earned money (P2Wers). I think that In MMOs, griefing (either Karma bombing or PK griefing) other players isn't that much different from harassing/bullying people in real life. With that in mind, I'm asking about what you should do as a human being, not what you could do while using "game mechanics," or "it's just a game" as an excuse to justify actions.] __________________________________________________ Personal opinion (on what's being a bad person): 1. Going into someone's rotation, flag or prompt their flag without negotiating, fight, lose, then proceed to rage karma bomb till they leave. 2. Saying "spot taken" and killing anyone who comes nearby on sight. [If you swapped channels and still couldn't find a spot, I don't think PKing someone off a spot is wrong, especially if you have limited playtime. At the same time, I think it kind of sucks but abusing the karma system and karma bombing vets as a new player when there's no other spots available isn't wrong either, how else are you supposed to fight them? Or accept getting stomped on for a year or so before you grind bad spots to get to their level? So where would you draw your line?] For me, if they're willing to talk and/or ask for a duel, I'm more than willing to give up my spot. If it's duel, if I win, I keep the spot, if i lose, I give it up, if I win because I over geared them by a lot, I give them the spot because I feel bad for not even giving them a chance (not fair like luck-based rock paper scissors, not fair like two similar geared people duking it out with their own skills being the only variable). The one thing that annoys me the most are people who come into my rotation, they don't say anything or reply to any prompts at conversation like freakin cavemen, prompt you to kill them, then keep coming back to karma bomb you. When you stop killing them, they just relish in sacrificing their own grind speed to make you suffer the same... My stance: first come first serve, with negotiations. Freakin talk to me, it's an MMORPG yeh dingis! NOTE: -I'm talking about every channel besides Arsha. The common courtesy/universal language in Arsha is just to flag every time you see a white dot for more than 3 seconds >.> - I didn't put this into the PvP forum because I thought this concerns PvE, and just general gameplay, not just the PvP community. Let the debate begin! EDITS in ""