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Discussion in 'General Gameplay' started by MagicalTabletopGirls, May 21, 2020.

  1. Boink

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    Belgium is not the only one with a gaming committee. The U.K. and the U.S. gaming committee both agreed that this practice is legal.

    Of course, there are movements that want this stuff to be illegal. U.K. parliament wants to make it illegal, if it's already concluded that it illegal why are they still operating. Because it's still legal. The same can be said with the Senators in the U.S. that want to make it illegal with what I said about the NEW bill in question. Both of these events in 2019.

    If it's already written as a law or made illegal in 2019 why are the gaming companies not closing their operations it's now 2020?

    Maybe in your mind, they are doing something illegal. Like every other adamant disposition concerning different aspects of legality. But as far as these gaming companies concern they are paying their taxes and doing nothing illegal. Just like selling pharmaceutical weed with a license, I'm sure someone out there still believes it's illegal.

    Exactly what I meant in relation to value. Collectible cards have been around for many generations. How did it bypassed the gambling laws that are in place? What is the definition of its value? If we are defining it as "self-value" then collectible cards should have been banned long ago. Not everyone values these cards except for the collector(s). As far as we know you can't go to a bank and trade it for a legal tender.

    It's regulated because it's a taxable revenue (Gaming Tax) same can be said to every typed of "controlled" substance - Beer + Tobacco has a different tax, etc. Of course, maybe these taxes help limit the production of it since it's "destroying the society" but we all know governments don't act quickly until it's taxable. Ssssh don't tell anyone, and this implied with online gaming since according to the U.S. current law we can't place additional tax with internet services.

    The fact that virtual items are NOT something you OWN, nor has value. It's a service that they are providing. I really doubt our CURRENT gaming laws are able to tackle this problem and make it illegal
     
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    The issue isn't necessarily just about making it Illegal or banning it. Las Vegas casino's are legal, but require participants to be 21+. There are some regulations stating the chances of success/failure must be released. Another requirement in Vegas. Slot Machines are labelled with the amount of cash back you would get for every $100 put through the machine.
     
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    Yes but those are regulated ventures. People that go to those vices know or have a mature mind to know that they will be paying taxes.

    How are they going to tax this? Someone that won a "Golden Hedgehog" that they don't "own" nor has any value is taxed. Who wants to be part of that?

    Straight banning or making it illegal is the only solution. I'm sure gaming companies can adapt and make a "better" profitable game.
     
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  4. Khondo

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    Self Control
    Take responsibility for ones choices
    Empowerment

    Why ruin the enjoyment that so many can have, for the poor choices of a few.
     
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    MoonDance17 Lahn 61 NA

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    So in your opinion we don't need any laws or regulations. We do not need any police or courts of law either as we should all just use self control and take responsibility for our actions, lol. Never going to be possible while there are predators in our societies and in our gaming companies.
     
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  6. Khondo

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    That's taking what I said to the extreme, well done.
     
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    MoonDance17 Lahn 61 NA

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    No it is putting it into perspective. Gambling is a disease just like drug and alcohol addiction and as such it needs firm regulation.
     
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    There are laws that are made to preserve the weakest part of the society cause it's needed, I wish it was as easy as you put it but it's not. I'm not saying the system is perfect but we can't simply ignore that our society isn't perfect either and there are people who need to be preserved, for a reason or another. A society is supposed to be like a big family, in a family you have rules and protect each other, or at least you should otherwise no point with living with other people and being part of something.
     
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    Sadalsuud Tamer 62 EU

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    Because it ends up not being a choice.
    Being addicted is not easy to accept for someone, and getting rid of it is not easy either. You can't define it as a "lack of willpower".

    Moreover, the idea is not to ruin the enjoyment of anyone, but to simply label these methods, control them as they should be.
    If gamble in Mmorpg is recognized as such, it does not necessarily mean it will be locked like in Belgium, but it will be taxed and controlled differently. Even if you do not think that governments should interfere (from a health point of view), as a consumer you would at least have a guarantee that the deal is fair. Right now, you don't have any guarantee in any RNG result you're making in the game, and most of them are directly or indirectly linked with the CS.

    What's worrying is that you're linking these purchases with enjoyment. There's even a part of the population that directly link their enjoyment in these games with the amount of money they spend in the game, I find it even more worrying.
     
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    This isn't a tax issue. It's a regulation which is pressured by a lot of people.

    The governments also get a tax portion of every sale anyway. This is the sale of products and revenue is created.
     
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    Actually, its if you are purchasing chance. Thats what the law needs to focus on. Card games dont count cause its a physical item, and they could argue that you are purchasing the box that comes with free random cards..same thing with the lol surprise BS toys.

    The only thing they are banking on currently is the token system. The problem for them though is that unlike physical arcade tokens, Pearls have actually gained value. If the arcade tokens ever became a valuable commodity, the gaming commission would step in. And that is where we are now, because Casinos arnt protected with their token system, aka chips. You arnt allowed to trade chips with other players in casinos, you arnt allowed to trade pearls..Guess what. People do it anyway, sell accounts with pearls, and sell chips outside the casino.

    That's what the legislation needs to focus on when it comes to snagging these slippery weasels. And not to get distracted with any "commitments to prevent account trading" that would be a cop out, cause its not possible. Accounts are being traded and sold like chips. And its a detriment to society.
     
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    Ok just to list a couple of regulated a.k.a. taxed: Beer, Liquor, Gaming Tax (Gambling),

    Government bodies will not work for free. I'm certain the revenue and sales tax are already proportion to other government entities not focused on a separate committee to regulate this.

    . They already trying to pass better legislation targeting the p2w and microtransaction. This includes lootboxes but with the current situation, I doubt it will get the support it needs.

    We got players in-game that truly believe that enhancing (gambling) makes an actual profit. They leverage their bets on a 3-6% claiming, in the end, they will make money out of it. Either they can't comprehend what this 3-6% mathematically identifies (literally means 3-6% of the population of bets wins) or they are truly addicted. Even in casinos, they think they will win at a 49% and they keep trying their luck ( I won but I know better than I'm part of that 49%). That's why I stick to poker :) Addiction plays a big part of any mathematical or logical thinking. It overrules it.

    Now introduce it to young adults 12-16-year-olds now we got ourselves a problem. Since most of them don't have a mature brain to handle these impulses. They are prone to risky stuff, that's why I assume they believe that 3-6% winning is "profitable".

    I understand that our structure is designed on taking advantage or preying systems. Look at those fast food joints selling sugar, fat, and salt. One of the most addictive products in the world. It's a billion-dollar industry Potato chips literally a salted fried potato. Another $ dollar industry. We have vehicle manufacturers bring in a new product every year. Even though most vehicles last a "lifetime".

    What these companies are doing are fulfilling personal desires and/or addiction. Is it really the companies fault, in their eyes they are just trying to make profit. Do I blame PA/Kakao for jumping the $ bandwagon? Nope. Do I support it? I stopped dumping $ 2 years ago because I know they won't stop.
     
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    Now BioHackTV proves your statement wrong. He shows enhancing using mathematical calculations is very profitable. BioHack just enhances in the game to make profit. He is BIS (Capra20) in everything and is the richest non whale player in the game.

    Like everything in BDO, knowledge is the way to make money. Know the processes that make money and perfect them. Enhancing is a prime example of this in game.

    I make money and progress my toon via enhancing. For those that consider this "gambling", well that's your opinion, me I consider it a skill.
     
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    It's about pressure from consumers and the problems that it creates. Yes, nearly everything is tied back to money and it is a major factor in legislation, but pressure can be applied from other sources as well. Just like the Gun Violence and laws. There is push back from the community for change in gun laws.
     
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    counting cards is also pretty profitable
     
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    ...Uh-huh. Sorta like Phil Ivy shows you can become a Millionaire with poker.
    You really do fall for some simple bait tactics dont you. It IS gambling, there is no statistical anything that makes your enhancement pop over someone else. Its unregulated weighted Kakeo rng designed to get people to reach for the wallet. Some accounts an enhancement is never gonna go, others it always goes at the correct FS. Whats the most amount of fails Hes ever had, not FS, fails consecutively? Iv a char who hasn't had a success since 2018. At almost 5 attempts a week since, minus my boycot.

    The only thing Biohack shows is that using Real money to gamble in BDO pays off with ingame items...Which is exactly what PA wants you to do anyway, there is no secret with that.
     
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    What he is explaining "Law Of Large Numbers" is implied as Gamblers Fallacy. It is an incorrect way to use this THEOREM application. If that is true every jackpot in the whole world that pertaining to chance wins and becomes net worthy (or profitable). Someone made a book about winning the lottery twice in a row doesn't make it a mathematically correct statement that there is "profit with lottery".

    I want you to ask him how much he spent in the game next time.

    If you are basing your criteria on someone that dumps thousands of dollars in-game as "knowledgeable" then I don't what to say. Not everyone will produce a winning variance with 3-6% just the same not everyone wins the lottery twice in their lifetime and make it "profitable".
     
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    What we create in our society is to push the committee that oversight these venues. Gaming committee (gaming tax), Tobacco & Alcohol - ATF. To keep those committees or government agencies running and to keep them doing their job overseeing these venues is through taxation
     
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    There is only one get rich scheme that works. If you would just buy my book you would have the answers. I mean if you give me money I'm sure you will be able to figure out how to get rich quick.
     
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