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Discussion in 'General Gameplay' started by MagicalTabletopGirls, May 21, 2020.

  1. Boink

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    If you watch him you get rich, and to donate $ you get rich quickly? Same analogy.
     
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    Many of the cases are complaints from the general public. While in many cases they bare some responsibility in these issues, it's still an unregulated trap. A minor getting access and racking up a $12,000 expense for example. This is negligence on behalf of the parent, but it's also by design and intentional by the company. They don't want regulations to prevent this from occurring and do everything they can to entice it.

    Not all of these issues are quickly resolved or refunded. It can create severe burdens on families.

    All you need to do is watch the proceedings.
     
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    Just because you have AA in poker doesn't meant you are guaranteed the pot or the least be "profitable". Equitable sure. But it doesn't guarantee you a win. Even counting cards unless we are talking about the old blackjack where there is only 1 - 2 decks in the table and can easily be identified. Even baccarat only gives you a 1% edge against the house, that only happens at the very end of the deck and they allow you to count cards. So if you have gotten to that stage and got 51% edge... you can still lose 49% of the time.

    No game of chance is "profitable" unless you really an addict. I'm not saying someone can't win money. But the rates of people making money is already there on the chances you are up against.

    We have a gaming committee that made it legal for these gaming companies. Not saying there are no liable parties involve like for example a man suffered obesity and won a lawsuit against Mc Donalds for not "clearly" identifying what makes him fat.

    Definitely, companies are out there lobbying against laws that makes their product regulated, illegal or banned. I'm sure big companies EA is out there trying to trash the current bill that's proposed right now.

    I'm not really a strong advocate against lootboxes or p2w in general. I just don't support it. I understand however that company wants to make money. If I was in the same position as these companies I would do the same because it's profitable.

    It's really difficult to make stuff illegal, especially on the internet. It's a new frontier.
     
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    Kynreaa DarkKnight 62

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    And there you have it, the Biohack secret. Set it up so when you lose you still win. Twitch pays him to fail enhancements for other peoples entertainment. So if it pops he wins, when it fails, he has BiohackTV material. Cant knock that.
     
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    I'm sure every Streamer advertise "get rich quick" schemes. Remember the time when Manos was not out and a lot of "lifeskill" players claim they make good silver and get V gear just by lifeskilling? While they claim the game is not p2w and everything is convenience.

    I can't really blame people for taking advantage of the system considering most people that watch them are probably under the age of maturity and are easily influenced. Oh look at that same as every gaming company haha.
     
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    I am giving up on this thread. No point discussing something with people who have blinkers on.
     
  7. Boink

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    Make sure to get a copy of multiple "How to win the lottery" book written by people who experience that bliss. I'm sure there are many titles to choose from. That way you can tell me how a 3-6% rate becomes "profitable" on any game of chance. Again addiction plays a big role in how people think. Like I've said many times players come back after a loss thinking they can beat the house on 49%. In this game somehow they tell you that you can win and make a profit on a 3-6%. How's that possible?

    The easiest way to think this through is that if you managed to create a winning variable on a 3-6% you are part of that number. The same goes for players that won the lottery twice they are part of that millionth %. The same goes for players that hit their one outer on a river. They are part of that very small number. A huge number of players that attempted it loses.

    About the blinkers, you can turn off yours. Self-empowerment my friend.
     
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    Sadalsuud Tamer 62 EU

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    If this "skill" was 100% IG, I would not define it as gambling. As an incentive, maybe, but not as gambling.

    But that's not how it works in BDO, this RNG has a link with the CS, implying real money.
    In fact, it does not even matter if you can make money or not with it IG : the problem lies in the fact that you can use money to participate on a gamble without any control. That is an undeniable fact.


    Now, the idea that some gambles may be more easily profitable than others... Well... Don't you think it can be a part of their strategy too? XD

    You really shouldn't have talked about blinkers!
    :D
     
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  9. Boink

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    I admired Phil Ivey I remember watching him in the old school Poker After Dark (That's when the time the new introduction of an ICM system and other good fundamentals and mathematically sound strategies are not in play). Probably Macau Casino got him good now he is "broke".

    Again not saying no one wins at 3-6% but if someone tells me this is profitable because of a series of repetitions (not saying it doesn't improve your odds it doesn't guarantee you a win) but giving the average a "profitable" result. Then 49% winning variable should have the most profitable results in a casino due to repeated sequence and "average".

    The fallacy comes with the word average and profitable. They don't add up together. The same thing happened to Monte Carlo 1913 branded as in Gambler's fallacy when a series of sequences and players believe or formulate that a result will come up and it will be a "profitable" bet because of the laws of large numbers. Improper use of the theorem.

    Here is the proper application of the law: 50% of those people that lose and not able to guess the correct sequence in a game of chance are the 50% losing. Same reason why Casino's "win" every time not because 49% can be repetitive and give you a winning edge. It's because 51% (casino edge) will show up regardless of individual results (not including commission and taxes). Large numbers. The same goes for 3% betting on one number in roulette. That's why they create formulas to try to beat the house by betting 49% (-1% of house edge) of the total of the number of 17 or lower (depending how they perceived risk) and other generally safe bets like black or red.

    There are lots of good poker legends that are either out of the game due to bad money management and/or addiction. Some people perceived gambling as a discipline. When people believe that they will profit because the slots pays 1 out of every 1000 to hit a one of the jackpot, 49% win rate on any card tile roulette, 1 out of 4 to win on scratchers, 1 out of every 298million to win a lottery and this brand new 3-6% "enhancing for profit" without using store-bought crons and artisans and simply relying on "repetition" to get the "average". Then yes I'd say that related more to compulsive gambling a.k.a. addiction. If that's mathematically true, no one out there will make a game of chance like lootboxes. Don't tell anyone.
     
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  10. Korvgubben

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    I thought dropping one-liners with an undertone of provocation was your area of expertise rather than discussion.

    ˡᵉᵗˢ ˢᵉᵉ ⁱᶠ ⁱᵗ ʷᵒʳᵏˢ
     
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    those are very similar words to the ones used by the American National Rifle Association regarding school mass shootings, i guess its convinient for them that the victims's opinions about it cannot be heard
     
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    Don't bring this subject regarding firearms and addictive joy. No one really buys guns because they are addicted to shooting people. There are millions including myself that are responsible gun owners. Those that do mass shootings relatively involved having an emotional breakdown and some really sick individuals.

    Victims and relatives want someone responsible, I do understand their plight. But that's suing or blaming knife manufacturers about knife deaths involve in Japan (Sagamihara stabbings just one example).
     
  13. zhagsten

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    Comparing guns to knives is as bad as comparing with gambling. Really not the argument you should bring.
     
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    As in people who want to kill will choose whatever comes available? How's that bad? Not everyone is physically fit to stab people to death is that the argument here.

    There are more than 300 million people that own a gun in the U.S. You don't see most of them shooting people just to fill their addiction.
     
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    The comparison of guns and gambling was bad and there's nothing to add there. Just stop with the knives, they're made to cut food. They even make some with round tips. Guns are made to kill. At best it's to kill animals. Their whole design is to be efficient at it. You cannot compare taking a kitchen knife and using it to stab people to taking a gun and killing people. Just like you cannot compare it with gambling.
     
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    You are right in terms of how efficient it can kill. The idea is that there are over 300m+ gun owners in the U.S. not everyone buys weapons so that they can murder people. It's more of a deterrent. The same idea can be said to kitchen knives owners. I'm sure everyone at this point can afford one kitchen knife. Or any other tools gadgets that can incapacitate people which is a lot.
     
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    I'm honestly not a fan of the "He's got a car/gun/knife/nuclear bomb so I need a bigger car/gun/knife/nuclear bomb" type of thinking. It only leads to escalation.

    Speaking about escalation, probably shoulnt bring up guns in a thread about gambling when theres a big American user base on the forums.
     
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    WOW, all I can say is wow. Great comparison.
     
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    i am not even comparing, they are literally the same words they used.
     
  20. Allan1985

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    my argument was not that guns are ddictive (that would make no sense) rather i was pointing at how they use the same sort of argumentation when they try to defend something undefendable.
     
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