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Staff Response Guilds are getting insanely rich from Sea monsters

Discussion in 'Bugs' started by Pohjantikka, Aug 14, 2018.

  1. Arcticcz

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    So they finally dragged random dude from the street to act as sacrificial lamb in front of the masses? :D
    "GM Jeste" ... yup, never heard of :)

    aaaawwwwww, good old days of MMOs where GMs and rest of the people in charge actually played the game they were taking care of.
     
  2. Olympia

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    Been playing BDO sinds day one , and im not even in the guild or hunting sea monsters...
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    kids are crying because they cant make any silver...lol!
     
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  3. Megta

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    Who says the don't? Just because they don't do sea monster hunting?
     
  4. Metalharpey

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    Its not the sea hunting thats the problem, its the hackers.
    One of my guildies also spends her time almost 24/7 out on the sea and gets about 100-200m every 3-4 hours roughly. Thats guild funds obviously so not 100% her bonus. Anyways, she found invisible hackers that can oneshot candidum (by far the best loot mob) and almost got oneshotted on her full blue (+6) epheria sailboat as well. As long as its possible to hack their way in, it will stay a problem with funds.
    However I do feel that missions should be buffed, as a casual guild we will probably never get a node (since T2 and T3 guilds still **** around on T1 and beginner nodes) or a full sea hunting guild so we mostly rely on guild missions and our own grinds.
     
  5. Reuter

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    Tell her to get gud.
     
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  6. Metalharpey

    Metalharpey Witch 61 EU

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    She's good enough I've been with her plenty of times. She just doesn't hack or exploit. That's the difference here.
     
  7. Zikie

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    would love to see prof of anyone, making 2bil in 1 hour as claimed here, let alone without speed hacking.

    it takes 5-15min just to sail out let alone time to find seamonster. even in perfect istuation when we start timing when they hit margoria, it averaged to maybe 5-10min upto luck between finding one, killing it and finding new one upto how good you are at it, assuming you are solo ofcourse.

    now each neidan weights 3lt, worth 100k, thats 20k neidans for that ammount, wich maens 60k lt weight wich you cant store away.
    it drops 100-150 neidans a mob, so even perfect 150 each time you need 133 kills, wich even at perfect 5min wich is highly under estimated value, is 665 minutes meaning 11.08 hours, for "1 hour 2bil" gain and that doesnt even count in back and forth trips to dump it out, even if you use 2characters linked together you cant possibly move 60k lt of weight in 1 trip since you cant overstack these items.

    now lets take the big 100m drops as example.

    about 10% base chance, not sure how it would be affected by drop rate boosting items or arsha drop chance bonuses. Steel candidum weights 465lt, you need 20 drops to fill 2b wich makes it 9300 lt excluding any neidan weight you gain on these kills.

    now even if we assume you get 1 every 5 kills with over estimated 20%drop chance you would need 100 kills again, making it 500 minutes wich is 8.3 hours. , far from claimed 2b a hour.

    even if we combine both of these loots the weight would be issue because of neidans, and all the trips you have to do back and forth so its pretty much impossible, to make 2 billion as a single person in a hour.

    now if someone argues "lol but you farm as guild" so 50 man guild as that ups was taken as exampe, 2b for 50 as 100% profit is 40m per person a hour assuming they can even gain that 2b a hour, and thats with 50 players group work in this assumed situation. doesntsound that much higher than grinded money does it?


    sure the money is good in seamonster hunting, maybe abit overtuned too but not by alot for realistic hourly gain but people blow it way out of proportions on how profitable it truly is while doingit legit. speedhacking ofcourse makes it totally different thing and i canteven imagine how it works in those cases, but even then the issues it he hack it self, not the hunting.

    this seamonster thing just happened to land sametime with all the free money events that it makes people assume all the overhigh preorder prices is only from seamonster hunting, when its combination of alot of different money incomes.


    only real thing i see as issuew ith this is how even new player level 1, could join the seahunt and gain that 40m a hour without ever working on actual gears wich grinders had to do for the money by being repair and loot person for the other. but sametime i see it as catchup for new players who gets in that lucky position to get to that decent level faster around 400-440 ilvl to be able to grind alot of areas, even if that can be reached in few weeks by hard work too as new player by just grinding right places.but otherwise 20m-30m is normal hour on gahaz with decent loot luck on scrolls, might be higher if fully lvl 10 invested.



    TLDR for who dontwant to read this all, 2b a hour is way over exaggerated value, probably not even obtainable with unfair methods such as speed hacks solo. sea monster money might be abit overtuned, but not by too much considering how much you have to work to get the boat in first place to be able to do it, and the main issue is the hackers in seamonster hunting, where again the fix that we need isnt nerf to seamonsters, but to fix out hacking in it in someway.
     
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  8. GhostfireGG

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    Just so you know, earning 1billion in 2 hours is basically impossible (probably possible to hackers, but you can't nerf content because hackers are getting insane money, the hackers themselves need banning).

    The 100mil items that drop weigh around 465lt. With max weight and buffs etc, you couldn't even carry 10 of these items. That's not even taking into consideration the 8% drop chance of this item.

    Also taking into consideration that it takes around 3-5 minutes depending on boat gear to kill them, 10-15 minutes to arrive in margoria sea to do the hunting (also 10-15 minutes return). Taking out the time to get there and back (20-30 mins total). That leaves you around 1 hour 30/40 minutes. You also have to sail to find another (granted it's not that long before you find another but it all adds up). 1 hour 30 mins = 90 minutes. if it takes around 5 minutes per monster depending on gear, that means you can get a maximum of 18 monsters (if they were all next to each other which they aren't). so, 18 monsters, with an 8% drop chance of the 100mil items, you would need to get the 100mil item within 1-2 monsters each time to hit 1billion, which doesn't happen. The 100k item drops from it as well weigh 3lt which drops between 100-150, even if you got the max of 150 that would give you 15mil and weigh 450lt.

    As for the 50 man guild doing it, of course money is going to look really high, same way if you had 50 people grinding and add all the money together, it will look like high numbers. but they would still only get what they grinded. With sea hunting, payouts can only be 40% of funds, and with people having like 100bil in their guild funds, 20% of it is tax.

    So if all 50 people did somehow manage to get a billion an hour/two (which is impossible without cheating due to weight and travel time and rng etc).
    but as i said for example, if people did 1 billion an hour as a guild of 50, that would be 50bil. 40% payout of that would be 20 billion, divide that by 50 people = 400mil. Granted that sounds amazing, but is totally unrealistic as it's impossible to do unless you're hacking. which is another story and this wouldn't be such a big issue if they were actually banned.


    EDIT: As for people saying "sea monster hunting is causing higher and higher preorders on accessories and none get listed", sea monster hunting has nothing to do with how often stuff gets listed, that's the crappy drop rates ingame, and pretty much being relied on the event accessory boxes to give any sort of accessories to the market. Even before sea monster hunting, prices of preorders were getting higher and higher anyway, not because of sea monster hunting, but due to the lack of items/accessories in the game being listed.
     
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  9. GhostfireGG

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    Also if you're working out that a 50 man guild is getting 3bil payouts with 100bil funds then your math is very wrong. The max payout total is 40% so only 40bil can be paid out. between 50 people that would be 800mil each (if they all received the same tier payout). Also at 100bil, 20% tax is applied. So yeah totally taken out of proportion. Only hacker guilds are getting anywhere near 3bil+ payouts. Get rid of the hackers, this whole thing will settle down.
     
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  10. Pohjantikka

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    Yes yes, i know the maths and numbers..
    But you can check out that UPS player's streams
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    Okay, look. This guild owns one NORMAL node
    And here is some pictures i collected from the streamer who does 7-9 hours of sailing / sea hunting daily

    So UPS guild's bank money:
    Saturday 11.7.2018
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    Sunday 12.7.2018
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    Friday 17.8.2018
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    Last one source: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/298384532?t=01h23m15s

    SO UPS guild just earned 179 BILLION silver in 5 days
    That is over 1 billion silver per hour for all the time

    Killing sea monsters right now is insane, I know.
    But it is the only reason why players are getting super rich at the moment.

    Here is EU server pre-orders on functional clothes
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    300mil for +3 Trader outfit, with that money you could buy 1200 pieces of +0 Trader outfits
     
  11. GhostfireGG

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    yeah 179billion in 5 days. that's 3,580,000,000 collected per member (50 guild members). divide that by 5 days, that's 716,000,000 a day. if he was doing 7-9 hours as you say, that's around 102mil an hour (using 7 hours as a measurement). Bare in mind max payout is 40%. so they wouldn't even be getting the amount listed. It only sounds a lot due to having a 50 man guild. overall it's not THAT much after tax + only getting 40% of it anyway
     
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  12. Pohjantikka

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    I did some more research into streamers videos:
    Video from 11.7.2018 https://www.twitch.tv/bairoghaan/video/295881502

    1:47:45 = Guild Bank has 130.046 Billion silver
    9:36:30 = Guild Bank has 155.508 Billion silver
    So that Guild made 25.462 Billion silver in 7 hours 48 minutes 45 sec
    That will mean 3.259 Billion silver per hour
    And I am pretty sure that the whole guild was NOT doing the sea hunting during that time
    But if they were, it would be 65 million silver per hour per member

    So when they did the bonus give out, the guild had something atleast 155 billion in the bank
    40% = 62 billion
    Equally to all 50 members = 1.24 billion each
    With small calculations , if 6 members got rank 3 bonus and all others rank 1
    then those 6 members would get 3 billion and others 1 billion

    After doing better maths and checking on videos:

    > UPS guild made +100 billion silver in 4 days before the big bonus give away
    (7.8. = 53 bil in bank >> 11.7. = 155 bil in bank)

    > If UPS had 155 billion during bonus output, then 62 billion went to players
    > While farming, 100 billion is left to bank when the 20% tax hits and takes 20 billion away
    > After those losses guild had 80 billion silver on Monday
    Now it has 280 Billion silver, so they have actually made 200 billion silver in 5 days
    Which means 40 billion per day

    I checked all videos from the streamer and collected these details of UPS guild bank
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    And yet again... this streamer guy has over 200 billion silver in his bank
     
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  13. Andaro

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    As I have shown in this post, regardless of how much income sea beasts bring in, even in the most Xtreme scenario (assuming hacking is involved), after the 20th week (month 5), the amount that Sea Beasts add to payouts caps out and plateaus.

    As noted , the sheet scenarios provided do not take into account Siege or Node Tax income, or guilds that were "double collecting"

    It also does not account for any guild that was using Trina Matchlock exploits prior to the Trina exploit Fix (that silver will eventually work its way out).

    https://community.blackdesertonline...-sailing-the-ocean.252972/page-3#post-1517640

    @GM Jeste

    To my understanding however, node taxes come from the marketplace tax, and thusly extra income from Sea Beasts would allow more purchases, thusly generating more taxes, increasing siege tax income.
     
  14. Pohjantikka

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    That picture is the same as in OP.
    So it would be the UPS streamers and not yours, unless you are the streamer
     
  15. Pohjantikka

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    Yesterdays Stream video from UPS
    https://www.twitch.tv/bairoghaan/video/298384532
    1:23:04 = 279.067 Billion
    9:52:23 = 307.303 Billion
    -> 8 hour 29 minutes 19 sec = 28.236 Billion silver
    =3.326 Billion silver / hour

    307.303 Billion in Equal full bonus
    40% = 122.92 Billion
    50 members = 2.46 Billion
     
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    Grinding at Gyfin 15 h / day with an Avg Income of 25 million silver ( 0 Belts included ) makes ya 2.6 billion / week . Have fun . Plus most of these "Funds Pictures" are photoshopped af .
     
  17. WhySoSeeryus

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    how would you rate requirements for gyfin vs building a sailboat?
     
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  18. Kharognar

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    Between me and you . I had the hardest time of my life getting the boat / gear for it than getting some tets . But that's me , Without being ironic , i am an ol traditional no lifer Grinder . Lifeskilling is doable but it causes my brain cells to extinct .Plus it's not just Gyfin . There are quite many Streamers making 1.4 Billion / Week by grinding non stop @ Shrine and other Valencia Spots . Well If someone no lifes non stop for 1.5 month and he gets lucky with enhancements / Bids it's not that hard to actually reach the Gyfin point . It wont be perfect though . He wont be able to join the groups i could or someone more geared but he would have access on it .
     
  19. Andaro

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    Watching this video , here is what i saw.
    {Kill Number} {Rare} {NedianCount} {IncomeOnKill}{time.approx}

    First Hour
    01, Rare + 110 Nedians (110 mil)
    02, NoR, 102 Nedians, (10.2 mil) (2mins 15 seconds)
    03, NoR, 108 Nedians, (10.8 mil) (2 minutes, 2 seconds)
    04, NoR, 139 Nedians, (13.9 Mil) (1 minute 38 seconds)
    05, NoR, 126 Nedians, (12.6 Mil)(1m45s)
    06, NoR, 137 Nedians, (13.7 Mil) (1m38s)
    07, NoR, 133 Nedians, (13.3 Mil)(1m45s)
    --- 888 nedians so far, or 88.8 Mil ---
    08 , NoR, 118 Nedians, (11.8 Mil)(1m.30s)
    09, NoR, 122 Nedians, (12.2 Mil)(1m40s)
    --- discards 44 nedians (minus 4.4mil) --
    --- discards 33 nedians (minus 3.3mil) --
    10, NoR, 134 Nedians, (13.4 mil)(2m45s)
    --- currently has 1152 nedians, 115.2 mil , and one rare , total 215.2 mil --- (36:12)
    --- dies goes back to port ratt, opens guild shop, shows fund at 276,492,108,232 --- (38:33)
    --- you can clearly see at this point, that the guild fund is being increased by other members ---
    11 - goldmont coin 114 , no rare, (11.4 mil)
    12th kill - 123 nedians, 12.3 mil

    His total for one hour, by himself, was a contribution of approximately 138.9 Mil . If he did this for 8 hours (and good god that sailor has some stamina to sit there and do this for 8 hours straight), then his contribution is approximately 1.111 Bil (low average), and at most 2 bil, (because im not sitting though 8 hours of tallying up his figures)(so I'll assume he got more rares in there somewhere)

    At 09:51, it shows the guild fund at 307.302.767.045
    After his final contribution, it sits around 307,609, 505,045

    From 1:23:04 to 09:51 - the guild fund increased 31,117,396,813

    If his personal contribution 2 Bil, for 8 hours, that means that all the other sailors in his guild, collectively contributed the remainder.

    How many sailors was in his guild?
    Can you sail for 8 hours straight?

    yes, after popping that number into my spreadsheet, if they were to payout all 50 members, equal T10 pay, then each member, after tax would get 2,437,867,280 or 2,462,476,040(before taxation), for that week, which would decrease the guild fund to 184,685,703,027

    And , here is where all of you fail to realize --->> In order to receive the same pay next week, they will have to generate 122,923,802,018 or more. If you divide that number, by 200mil an hour (a massive increase on what their averages per hour each were)(his especially), they would have to collectively spend 614.619 Hours of killing sea beasts, or 12.29 hours each sailor, (50 sailors)

    Assuming each sailor, spends 2 hours a day for 7 days doing this, then they could keep it up.

    Regardless, they're eventually going to cap out by the 20th week
    But if a large guild is committed to that kind of consistent work, then why not.
     
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  20. WhySoSeeryus

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    it should be easier to gain access point to seamonsters ( :D ) than 235 ap with kutum and making all those pesky elixirs :D
     

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