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I dunno why people complain about Nadar Band...

Discussion in 'General Gameplay' started by WaifuJanna, Jul 30, 2020.

  1. Vortexii

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    For the Community

    It's pretty sad when month after month BDO releases more Pay2Win aspects, more locked content, and worse enchantment rates.

    Meanwhile Path Of Exile month after month releases incredible game content with more cosmetic items.

    Despite these FACTS all the white knights can do is complain about inventory slots (which are a major convenience, but also NOT Pay2WIN). However, I don't hear these FRAUDS ever saying well "they are a business and need to make money so I'll ignore it LOL".
     
  2. Luminosity

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    I am not saying BDO is not pay to win, but PoE still is unplayable without investment in stash tabs. I can repeat that a million times for you if you want.
    Especially with new seasons adding more and more mechanics. Without those specific stash tabs for maps, fragments etc etc. you essentially can not play this game. You could not even hold on to all your maps in late game without additional tabs. People that buy tons of tabs can store insane amounts of different items and sell them over the "market". If you yourself can not do this you lose so much currency as you can not put all those items you find anywhere anymore.
    PoE is still much better in terms of the "p2w" aspect, but without some investment you will not have fun there either.
     
  3. Hezekiel

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    Both genres, Hack and Slash and MMOs are actually lead by non pay2win games right now:

    Path Of Exile? the undisputed King of Hack and Slash?

    Oh wait...Classic WoW? The king of MMOs? the financially most successful western mmo, the in player numbers unbeaten king of mmo's? you couldnt pay2win anything back in the days up until CATA , you couldnt even pay4comsetics and yet it still became the undisputed KING of MMORPGs, in player numbers AND financially.

    And now in 2020s rerelease you still cant pay2win, you still cant pay4cosmetics...and you dont even need to buy the game, its 15€ a month and thats all, and its not only doing healthy, it is doing better than pay2win retail and better than BDO and better than any other pay2win mmo.


    You must be new. Thats what BDO is designed for since 2 months after it got released.
     
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  4. Hezekiel

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    Remove:
    Artisans, Crons, Lootscrolls, Storage Maids, Fairy rerolls, Elion Tear instant revives in PVP and PVE, Combat EXP Books, ValuePacks, Karmasylve, Tents, Pets, Weights, Worker instant upgrades, Crafting costumes, Buying Silver with Outfit $$$, BlackSpirit Crystal Removals, Unqiue crystal slots, max HP scrolls, max MP scrolls, EXP goldenbells,...
    and like 1000+ pay2win bullcrap items more which i forgot or dont even know about.

    Basically remove everything from BDOs cashshop besides Storage capacity and Costumes (tho you need to strip away ALL buffs from them) and only then you can compare BDO cashshop with PoE Cashshop.

    And yes this would actually be a fair and acceptable deal, just as PathOfExile is.


    You know why BDO is known for extreme pay2win by everyone? Because it is.
    you can speed up like every single gameplayloop and every single progression with $$$ by an absurd amount.

    You know why noone ever argues PoE is pay2win? Because it is not.
    you buy your storage tabs which are like 20$ and you are on an even playing field.
     
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  5. Khondo

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    Well done, nice job.

    In BDO, have you;

    - completed 30k quests (currently 33k)
    - hit 9k family fame (currently 9247)
    - high guru in 3 lifeskills, soon to add farming to that list.
    - 581 energy/417 contribution
    - Enhanced PEN so you have your family name on gear?

    Better get moving.
     
  6. Khondo

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    Two totally different game styles. In either though you can play the game for virtually free and enjoy them both. BDO just gives you more options that you can pay for to increase your enjoyment of the game.

    I have many people in my guild who have been playing for 3+ years and hardly spent a cent in game, some have spent nothing. It is your decision on what and how you spend your entertainment on.

    Your comparisons are your opinion/views and that's ok, but really nothing that proves anything.
     
  7. Hezekiel

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    My point was you can not even compare BDO CashShop to PoE Cashshop because BDO is full blown overtuned pay2win, speed up every single gameplay loop and every progress in the game, while PoE is you can only buy stash tabs but nothing else what gives you an advantage in the game.

    This is a whole nother Topic which i didnt even want to tackle. But your whole "oh but it is your decision to pay2win" becomes obsolete when were talking about gambling addiction. When people and kids can get addicted to FIFA lootboxes, which do nothing but timeskip the grind, i cant even imagine how hard cashcows can get addicted to BDO cashing and enhance gambling.
    There are Goverments banning pay2win gambling shiet from their countrys for good reason.
    And with just recently BDO whales coming forward admitting they dont even know how many thousands of $$$ they spend into their PENs, i dont think we really need to discuss this matter further.

    BDO is the prime example of Pay2win, you can pay $$$ for basically everything.
    I can not name any other AAA game which is more pay2win then BDO, can you?
    And its also a prime example for getting people into gambling addiction, its just that not many people give a fck about BDO anymore, thats why you have those Goverment bans on FIFA etc. and not on BDO.
     
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    I did not nolifed boring easy quests with half assed wannabe objectives that takes no skill at all.
    I never bothered to hit guru as its just running in a circle so I did not do that.
    I did not nolifed quests so I did not achiveded those numbers
    I did not got even one PEN but failed few times, nuked people with Guardian TET/TRI and left the game.

    On the other side I did what onyly under 5% of game population of D2 acomplished. Something that required skill determination and patience.
    Instead of onyly patience and maybe a credit card to speed things up.
     
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  9. Korvgubben

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    DID WE RLY NEED ANOTHER THREAD FOR THIS DOE?


    Not sorry for shouting
     
  10. Khondo

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    Do you even hear what your saying????

    You achievement is great, well done. You made it.

    "I did what onyly under 5% of game population" "Something that required skill determination and patience." List the less than 1% of the BDO population that have completed all what I have done, listed above......

    All achievements in game are set by individual requirements. You obviously don't like life skilling and that's ok, each to their own. But in no way is your great achievement any better than my great achievement. Because we both achieved what we wanted to do.
     
  11. Khondo

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    Addictions are a world problem and are not going to go away easily.

    But there is no way to, nor should there be, to stop people doing what they enjoy. If I want to spend $50k on putting a vintage car back together, or want to spend $1k building a great garden around my house, or send $5k on a computer game. What is wrong with any of those examples if you enjoy them? All of them give enjoyment, all of them don't break any laws. It is only the problem of a very, very small minority that either don't have control and need help that ruin it for the rest of us.

    Black Desert Online is one of many forms of entertainment that have been available for many years that offers people entertainment. It SHOULD be up to the individual whether they want that type of entertainment, whether they spend a small or large amount of money, does not matter. The product is there, use it or don't, no one is forcing anyone to do anything.
     
  12. Hezekiel

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    Pay2win ruins the fun of other players. It devalues one players own accomplishments and binding to his achievements and the game as a whole, because pay2win devalues ingame effort when you can just cut or skip the effort with $$$.
    Especially for MMOs where Progression is one of the biggest pillars of the game's enjoyment, this Progression gets more and more irrelevant when you add more and more ways to just buy arround it.


    You dont play Monopoly either when there is someone buying all the Streets with reallife money, dont you?

    Oh yes, there is and there should be, especially when it ruins the enjoyment of others, which pay2win by definition does.
     
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    That is such a shallow excuse.

    Any game you play has a set of rules and we all play to those rules. You can only compare one game to the next on it's rules and also you choose to play that game because of it's rules.

    So if you do not like a game that has a cash shop, DON'T PLAY THAT GAME. Once again your CHOICE.
     
  14. Hezekiel

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    Dont worry, i quit BDO a long time ago^^. Oh btw its not only me who left.
    I guess the absolute vast majority of people who dropped this game, left because it has become a pay2win hellhole casino and its only getting worse and worse.
     
  15. Khondo

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    And yet more and more players play the game. Maybe just a few had no concept of how to have fun in BDO?
     
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  16. Hezekiel

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    uhmm...maybe back that up with any source whatsoever?

    the only metrics we have for EU/NA are steamcharts
    https://steamcharts.com/app/582660#All

    cant see "more and more players" there.

    Oh and yes i'm a non steam account, cuz kakao was to greedy to let OGs and BETA players link their game to steam back in the days, so inbefore you start "but steam does not include all", yes i know, but as i said its the only metric we have.
     
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    The cooldown really needs to go. It's just completely unnecessary.
     
  18. Khondo

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    Ummmm maybe log in and find out.
     
  19. Hezekiel

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    just did couple of hours ago, couldnt see all those masses of new players or full servers you talk about.

    And why should one rely on his own subjectivity when he has objective metrics (like steamcharts) to work with?
    Also im well aware steamcharts does not include ALL players, but it very well does include the vast majority of NEW player influx since 2017 steam release.
    Most of new players use steam, because why would they not choose steam?
     
  20. Luminosity

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    Well it is pay to win, as you are forced to buy stash tabs to be able to play. Show me how you play without them. You literally can not hold onto all those items that are essential for your progression.
    How much you have to pay to get those tabs does not matter. Fact is without those storage tabs it will be an insanely slow and tedious experience. It is not pure cosmetics. Without tabs you can not compete with other people. As they can hold back more items for later builds and trading than you can.
    Also even BDO storage is p2w as it opens up hundreds of CP that then go directly into passive silverincome from more workers.
    I have quite some storage tabs in PoE and I would argue it increases my progression speed by several times. I can simply shove **** down tabs into 10chaos autosell. Later move it down to 9 chaos etc etc. That takes only seconds. At some point it gets sold and I have thousand of chaos more than I could ever have had without buying a decent amount of stash tabs. Not to ignore that the map tab alone can hold onto more maps than your initial storage could even do.
     

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