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I think I found the source of most Class Balance Issues.

Discussion in 'PvP' started by Velexia, Sep 26, 2018.

  1. WhySoSeeryus

    WhySoSeeryus Wizard 63 EU

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    those dont have reduction bcoz damage is not dealt by the character but those summons. and if anything, you should know that they are actually in a need of buffs on higher ap levels due to having fixed ap bonuses and not being influenced by ap scaling bonuses.
     
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  2. NatashaArisha

    NatashaArisha ShinobuAraragi Witch 61 NA

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    This, they need to make the summon scale with the character.
     
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  3. Spartakatz

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    well then congratz, you made a theory and debunked it in the next sentence.

    that one doesn't even tickle the enemy and it also lost it's CC. you should try things out yourself first and see if it can even remotely be something unbalanced.
     
  4. Velexia

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    You seem to misunderstand. The fact that a decent number of classes don't have this IS the unbalance. I don't know what other factors come into play between Gorr Roll compared to Descending Current, but I'd wager it has to do with 'pets'.
     
  5. Itago

    Itago Witch 62 EU

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    No PVP reduction, but also no animation cancel and long animation/cast time.

    Some of these skills are good in some cases, but how much damage or dps it does in PvP with endgame gear is not even considered..
     
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  6. Spartakatz

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    the classes currently considered being stronger, have no pets.
     
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  7. MarsKiller

    MarsKiller Ranger 62 EU

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    Downside of DC:
    - Split damage (More enemys = Less damage)
    - -10% Accuracy debuff (self) (Means you will hit less damage.)
    - You are locked in place until skill is fired/done (Unless you buy the Flow that you can use to cancel the animation before you shoot)
    - No SA/FG/iframe protection.

    Plus side:
    You don't feel 100% useless as Ranger in large pvp behind walls.

    Might i have missed some info about it. Like i said before i barly use it. Beside annoying people to rebuild their base.
     
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  8. I would approve that valk needs more spells without pvp dmg restriction, because that spell is bad in pvp ^^ I would reccoment my ult^^
     
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  9. Rysingmoon

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    This skill shoots plenty arrows into the air in order to hit lot of targets at a distance of 10 m to 50 m. You cannot aim the arrows properly or select a single target. The damage is distributed equally to all targets ("Split Damage"), and thus does petty damage to a particular target (divide it by the number of targets hit).

    The skill is considered pretty weak. It's probably only used in sieges to destroy structures. But there are better ways to accomplish this, thus there's no use for this skill.
     
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  10. YajStylez

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    Definitely not true. It's already scaling with ap hence getting 1-2 shot from just flows alone against players with 275+ ap.
     
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  11. Claydough

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    Destroying seige structure lmao

    What is this 2016?
     
  12. Rysingmoon

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    "The skill is considered pretty weak" what do you not understand?
     
  13. Kuu

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    Please read carefully.

    Pets scale with AP but not with the bonus ap. It’s like playermainhandAP+pet summonAP (tamer has a summon level that is higher then mages)

    On the highest AP levels it’s significant, because of how large the bonus AP goes up with only minor main hand AP.

    In return pets have 100% accuracy and flat modifiers so there’s nit picking on both sides.

    If you’re being pincushioned by a pet, your gears are too far apart. Buff or nerf is neither a obvious arguments due to the unique properties.
     
  14. Crimson_Scarlet

    Crimson_Scarlet Shai 60 NA

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    Class balance issues:

    - has a grab/doesnt (short/long,handicaped and protected ones)
    - perma sa or nearly
    - spamable iframe
    - super armor then into iframe on cd
    - skill buffs/debuffs including skill add ons
    - group buffs
    - low heals/strong heals
    - static/ mobile that can attack move
    - 100% crit
    -100% chance grab
    - split damage/aoe mainly ranger and wiztard blizzard
    - ability to continue applying pressure
    - desync
    - ability to animation cancel
    - resource consumption (rip valks)
    -range skills vs close up
    - shield blocks
    - high multipliers
    - renown scaling (pets mainly)
    -Dev's having no idea how to balance because they don't play their game

    There are many others like skills not working as intended or at all etc, then there is still a big issue with classes such as striker and mystic who have a better pre awakening kit with more sa and fg compared to others at launch.

    Also there is under geared players getting dumpstered by higher geared one and complaining

    Lastly fotm rerollers who are bad and wonder why someone who has mained 1 class and is also potentially geared that takes the time to learn the ins and outs, cancels,pvp/pve skill rotations and such does better then them.
     
  15. Foxens

    Foxens ID0 Ninja 61 EU

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    The pvp reduction are not working anyway bcs of the ap scaling in this game.

    Rollback to preawakening times when.

    (Neverrrr.... sadly)
     
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    Rollback CC/SA changes
    Lower the time of lingering SA for valk / warrior
    REMOVE RENOWN SCORE (its so stupid and favours just the ones above the curve)

    and pvp would be ****in fun again. Right now we play who got gutted the least. And everyone is rolling Sorc / Ninja / Kuno atm.
     
  17. YajStylez

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    Are you trying to say there's a huge difference in 'damage reduction' compared from a full tet to full pen when you're getting 1-2 shot from the flows alone? *Sarcasm. (Or do you really think it's going to make a huge difference? (lol))

    So you agree there should be a pvp damage reduction correct? Or still want these skills to do true high flat damage because you're maining a witch? :)
     
  18. WhySoSeeryus

    WhySoSeeryus Wizard 63 EU

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    how exactly do u get "1-2 shot from the flows alone"? coz those flows are integrated into skills and cannot be cast separately.
     
  19. Irini

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    I also found the source in a very deep scientific approach.

    In 98,76% of all cases, it sits in front of its keyboard and isn't able to understand the basics of whats going on on this small blinking screen it looks at.

    The concentration of said cases on this thread might be a little bit higher, since its the usual galore of lifeskilling pve players, that dont even remotely have a clue what other classes do and how mechanics work in this game.
     
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  20. Itago

    Itago Witch 62 EU

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    1. Flow can not be seperated from main skill for Wiz/Witch, its done at the same time and require main skill to trigger
    2. There is a good diffrence between 294 DP (softcap) and someone with full PEN + Caphra + renown DR.

    Wiz/Witch NEED high skill damage, its still not high damage per sec due to longer casting/animation time. Blizzard is a perfect example of this, the skill (still) does very good DAMAGE but due to the animation/channel time its useless to kill people with it
     
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