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Discussion in 'General Gameplay' started by MindaugasR, Aug 27, 2019.

  1. Smileybones

    Smileybones Ranger 62 NA

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    Honeslty you're wasting your time explaining basics of p2w exclusiveness, since most of them are triggered by the simple fact that the cash shop exists.

    Not even lying, I even witnessed some of them stating that paying customers have more fun than others and that having more fun is winning a game sigh.
     
  2. Kynreaa

    Kynreaa DarkKnight 62

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    ...You do know all the inbetween that you think makes a difference from success to failure is just show, kinda like watching the wheel go around on a loot chest..its predetermined.

    At least with rappelz they let you know ahead of time its a bum item, so pay to reset it, with this one, they straight up waste your time letting you think your accessory isnt going to blow up, no matter how many FS you put in it.

    Either way its the same mechanic.
     
  3. Kynreaa

    Kynreaa DarkKnight 62

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    So you figure the BIS item being 5 bucks in a cash shop is worse, then grinding 2+ years to fail every enhancement is better?
    Melting costumes for cron stones is the safe enhancement you hate so much.

    How about even going for my T4 ferie with Cheer 5, I have to sacrifice my current one to get a dud, unless i PTW it.
     
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  4. Smileybones

    Smileybones Ranger 62 NA

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    Way to totally miss, or rather ignore on purpose the exclusiveness point that @robertthebard made.
     
  5. Kynreaa

    Kynreaa DarkKnight 62

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    Whats that..that accessorys and T4 faeries blow up like in rappalz?

    And costume melting, and queens might helps alleviate this crisis, ?
     
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  6. WhySoSeeryus

    WhySoSeeryus Wizard 63 EU

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    dude u have mega advantage on t1 if u have gear. i wish i was lying.
     
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  7. robertthebard

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    Except I'm not just talking accessories. Every piece of gear that you can enchant in Rappelz can be blown up by a failure, and the only way to fix it is the CS. Accessories here are gone, so always have a back up, but the gear can be fixed with items that can be crafted in game. Apples and oranges.
     
  8. WhySoSeeryus

    WhySoSeeryus Wizard 63 EU

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    here u also cant really use the gear if u break it to a certain degree. then theres cs convenience items to help you recover at a very convenient rate of 300% faster. or a tent (50E only! :D) to be able to repair on site while PvEing at least.
     
  9. Kynreaa

    Kynreaa DarkKnight 62

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    The goal is 270 AP for certain classes, mabey a lil less with the OP ones....get there without accessories.
    I gotta hear this.
     
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  10. WhySoSeeryus

    WhySoSeeryus Wizard 63 EU

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    u can prevent accessories blowing up (60% chance) if u use cronstones. which are very inconvenient unless bought via cash shop. (theoretically yea, you can buy them from whale resellers obviously, but it still means someone buys them for real money. for their own advantage).


    note that msot dont use cronstones for accessories, but there are hush talks ( ;) ) about enhancing really endgame accessorieslike distortion earring via cronstones is VERY VERY worth it.
     
  11. robertthebard

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    Nice try? I have a friend in Rappelz that's literally dumped over 10 thousand dollars into his and his pet's gear. If you're not spending money, or buying from someone that is, you will never get that gear. Never. The items cannot be crafted in game, they come exclusively from the CS.

    Source

    It would seem we're struggling with what exclusively means.
     
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  12. Kynreaa

    Kynreaa DarkKnight 62

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    And it would seem you think getting queens might is obtainable any other way.
     
  13. Smileybones

    Smileybones Ranger 62 NA

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    Doesn't change the fact that the PVP scene is made of different tiers of players wearing different level of gear. P2W criers are vastly exagerating the gear disparity issue.
     
  14. robertthebard

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    I'm sitting on around 50 of them right now, all from daily log in rewards. If all the gear blew up on a failed enchant, even using the "guaranteed to here, but after BOOM" system, and the only way to fix it was to get out your wallet, or hope someone else had already done so and listed the required items, then we could argue "the same". They aren't the same.
     
  15. WhySoSeeryus

    WhySoSeeryus Wizard 63 EU

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    well there is a way (VERY expensive way ingame) involving raising new fairies and sprouting them and then hoping to win rng casino to get t5 pots.
     
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    Nice deflection, I guess? Go ahead and quote me where I said you could do anything of the sort?

    This is, however, a good example of why I'm not buying a lot of what's being sold in this thread. It's pure ********, and you know it, but you posted it anyway.
     
  17. Smileybones

    Smileybones Ranger 62 NA

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    Please don't desesperatedly come back with your miserable exception when:

    - Autopot wins sieges sure dude rofl, not every one has a hard time pressing a key every 2 seconds.
    - Most of BDO cash sop offer gameplay features that have free alternatives
     
  18. WhySoSeeryus

    WhySoSeeryus Wizard 63 EU

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    why do u insist that p2w has to be cs exclusive items (eventho this game has decent amount of those as well)? im honestly curious. anything that gives you stuff for nothing involving ingame means is wallet advantage, therefore p2w by its very definition. there are no personal opinions on this, as definitions should be absolute.

    i mean, dont be one of those guys who chooses what commandments are ok to follow and which deadly sins are not to be take literally. :D ;D
     
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  19. robertthebard

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    Really? Why do I insist that P2W is tied to being CS exclusive? That's what you really want to run with when discussing P2W?

    Because if it's available to do in game, w/out spending any money, or relying on somebody else to do it, it's not P2W.
     
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  20. WhySoSeeryus

    WhySoSeeryus Wizard 63 EU

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    more impacting ones are:
    ghillie (everyone whos something basically has one, so no excuses that its just removing the name),

    outfit coupons (made unprofitable to sell on mp so that they force u to buy it personally) which proved stats,

    multiple (and then some) maids (help alot with pvp due to perma supply of potions and supplies which are made HEAVY intentionally),

    CS tents (buffs, repairs, restocking on demand on spot),

    fairies (gl on getting a really decent one with maxed pot skill unless extremely lucky),

    lots of lodgings and other stuff that arent obtainable via other ways (old wisdom is a perfect example),

    weapon coupons (dont even mention shakatu, pls) save literally billions on pen switches,

    various functional outfits, exclusive to cs,

    horse coupons (real potential money maker unlimited by developers if u take a minute to think about it),

    mount resurrection - works on boats, wont go deeper into it, you can prolly imagine why its broken,

    ellion tears - no, you cant get enough free ones to perma spam/bully someone off the spot,

    artisans - only ingame alternative is farming 300% more memes.

    loot scrolls - beside getting few from events and ability to get an odd one from medals and rift thingies, there are players that have basically bought

    year+ supply of kama blessings when they offered scrolls alongside them. also, plenty of people have basically unspendable amount of 90 day

    value packs just because of them. call it what you want, unlimited possible supply vs very scare resource obtainable ingame = very big advantage.

    even character slots are worth a mention as every character offers multiple advantages via various ways. gl maxing out slots via 5k loyalty ingame option.
     
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