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Is it right that support-type classes deal massive damage in PVP?

Discussion in 'PvP' started by FrozenDarkFlame, Sep 6, 2020.

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Is it right that support-type classes deal massive damage in PVP?

  1. Yes, they are totally fine.

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    26.3%
  2. No, supports must be supports and should deal WAY less damage than pure DPSs

    56 vote(s)
    73.7%
  1. Fearless V

    Fearless V Lahn 61 NA

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    Meanwhile DPS classes like Guardian, Hash, and Warrior are able to grind areas that are 40+ AP above their GS. Witch could only dream of doing such a thing. And on top of it all those other classes are viable in spot defense while Witch is not. But yes lets talk about how broken Witch is. LUL
     
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  2. Ned Sheynji

    Ned Sheynji Sheynji 62 EU

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    Guardian is not able to defend her spot unless your enemy doesnt have a grab.
    Hash does not have that luxury. Dont know what you have been reading but thats plain wrong.
    And good luck pulling those numbers on Warrior. If you dont at least put 3k into a PC that can run BDO on 140+ FPS there is no chance and then you have the steep as fk learning curve. So yeah, lets indeed keep talking about how broken witch is.
     
  3. WhySoSeeryus

    WhySoSeeryus Wizard 64 EU

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    im all for succ zard nerfs, but some people trying to defend other broken **** in game really makes me think that maybe theres a reason why they actually prefer to make more broken **** instead of nerfing them. awaken warrs and some other classes in the game are so broken right now that next to them even succ wizards start to seem "just slightly overtuned"
     
  4. Mayuri

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    Support classes on a game designed to be played solo for the 99% of the time.

    Okay.
     
  5. WhySoSeeryus

    WhySoSeeryus Wizard 64 EU

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    dont u also play one? :D
     
  6. Ned Sheynji

    Ned Sheynji Sheynji 62 EU

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    Well that one is easy. Because people are dumb. You can see it very easily on people who call warrior overpowered because those are the people who im 90% certain they never even touched warrior before. You either play a version of warrior that is so predictable, it hurts, or you need 300+ FPS to play the darn thing.

    I have the same problem in reverse. People keep calling awakening ranger the worst class ever while i try to convince everyone that its actually sleeper OP. Rarely you see someone in this game who actually has a realistic view on classes. And once you play every single class in the game you get to know it.
     
  7. Mayuri

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    One of the few times I could use my main support skill effectively, which by the way, is on a four minute cool-down, there was a rule in place to not use it (organized 3v3s in BA).

    Because, let's be real, the party buff (accuracy & DP) won't make a huge impact, it's nice? Sure, for the accuracy, but, if your build can't hit an high evasion target that buff won't change it and if it already can, that buff is redundant.

    The heals? One on a 30 seconds CD which heals 30% of your party members hp, the other on one minute CD which heals 20% of your party members hp (hello? common sense? why does the heal on a lower CD heals more?) that nobody slots.

    So, let's see, a party buff, a four minute CD and one heal define me as a support class? Have you guys ever played mmorpgs with real support classes?

    I'd argue, anyday, that a Tamer supports way more than me in a small-scale fight.
     
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  8. WhySoSeeryus

    WhySoSeeryus Wizard 64 EU

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    with guides out there, you can achieve crazy fps on even mediocre pcs. that is not an excuse to leave warrior as is.

    good rangers are awesome.
     
  9. WhySoSeeryus

    WhySoSeeryus Wizard 64 EU

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    excuse me fine sir, but did u just say 15% accuracy party buff wont make a huge impact?
     
  10. Mayuri

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    No, it won't, because a proper built character has enough accuracy to 100 > 0 almost anyone.

    I have never seen a situation where that buff made a huge difference.
     
  11. WhySoSeeryus

    WhySoSeeryus Wizard 64 EU

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    in a game where damage is king, you havent seen a situation where 1 minute 15% accuracy buff with 100% possible uptime makes a huge difference?

    what game are you playing?
     
  12. Mayuri

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    So, you're telling me that most people can't 100 > 0 with one half-combo without the Valkyrie buff?

    Or, you're telling me that the Valkyrie buff allows anyone to 100 > 0 high evasion targets?

    Do you guys even... PvP?
     
  13. farsay

    farsay Mystic 62 NA

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    Support classes damage should be gutted, you cant have insane utility and heald PLUS high burst.
     
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  14. WhySoSeeryus

    WhySoSeeryus Wizard 64 EU

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    u dont really properly combo people in nws or sieges that much. u know.... the highlight content of the game? yes, 15% accuracy is hella strong and most coveted offensive buff most classes would kill for.
     
  15. Mayuri

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    I don't do zerg content, I'm mostly for small scale fights, thus, our point of views on the matter are different.

    I'd still argue that it's not a fight changing buff, is it nice to have? Sure, but it won't win you the fight like PA.
     
  16. WhySoSeeryus

    WhySoSeeryus Wizard 64 EU

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    if it makes you twotap people instead of 3-4 tap, yes, it will. also, your ranged classes will demolish with it as generally those skills lack accuracy (well, ranger shreds eva on its own, but u get the picture.).


    (also, PA depending on the source lasts up to 8 secs, this buff is 1 minute long)
     
  17. Mayuri

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    But, when does it make you two-tap people instead of three/four-tapping them?

    Are you telling me that 15% accuracy is going to make you land four skills instead of two? If that's the case, then people are not really built properly.

    In all the group PvP I did (both BA/RBF) that buff never made as much difference as you're suggesting, in fact, I found it extremely over-rated.

    Most of the time people don't even wait for me to cast it, because it doesn't really matter to them, they're gonna 100 > 0 anyone, either way.
     
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  18. ColdCashDivine

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    So you don't consider them as supports but everyone only wants them for their PAs.

    Okay, funny. I call that hypocrisy.
    It's not good to see that often wars are won by the team that owns more PAs. I agree with the guy that said that the cooldown of the whole team PAs must be shared.
     
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  19. Mayuri

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    One over-tuned skill every four minutes doesn't magically turn a class into a support class, it's just another poor thought out mechanic of this game.

    Check Lineage II buffers/healers if you want to see a real support class, or, RF Online specialists.
     
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  20. WhySoSeeryus

    WhySoSeeryus Wizard 64 EU

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    i agree with you, supports there were actually supporting and were fun to play if you like that gameplay. i played elven elder and bishop at one point myself.
     

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