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Is there really RNG?

Discussion in 'General Gameplay' started by Noixi, Feb 10, 2019.

  1. Boink

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    Why are people always label it as RNG?

    "Random Number Generator"

    First off, we should stop labeling it RNG and call results as good or bad luck. It doesn't make any sense to be carried by "Random Number Generator" A mathematically "random" value. RNG can't be a reasonable real value. Also don't tell me about "good seeds" in a random number generator. I played a lot of poker online and the last thing I want to hear is how 3 of my last AA was beat by an inferior hand. I can't claim it was a "bad seed". I know my math well and let's just say AA is not a 100% win and it is not improbable that I managed to pay off 3 of those losing hands. That was the worst part but it happens.

    Most of the drops in game are base on %. Small percentages. Bosses have the highest chance next to it are elites base on my experience or what I've seen in world loot. Yes statistically "RNG" or this small % can give you a really bad result jackpot wise or can land you to pretty good deals. I remember the most boxes I made was back when players can train Nouver. I hit around 4 in one day. It doesn't happen often but it happens.

    When you look at BDO the statistics is stack against you. I regret paying artisans when I blew up my sorc gear and to this day I feel like I got the worst gamble "real money wise". I played black jack almost all card / tile games in real casino and their real edge against me is about 0.3% - 1% (not including bad commision or jackpot bets which goes up to 5%). So card games have a 1% edge on a normal play 51%. In this game an enhace Pri all the way to PEN the house always wins. Don't give me that accessory PRI makes you money! No it doesn't 200% collateral plus the cost of your failstacks is not a good gamble. It is rare to see lucky streaks. It can happen.

    I think the important thing is if you are enjoying what you do and if it's worth it. I been doing world bosses since Steam release and I'd say it's worth it even if you don't hit a jackpot item or even the gold bars (x3). Just refine whatever you enjoy in the game, be efficient and just keep trying.

    This is my results so far (of course I grind and do other things like lifeskill) but most of my gains are from WB/FB I didn't preorder a single boss gear.



    The boxes are fairly new except maybe 3-4 boxes that I forgot to sell last year. (No i don't spam artisans or buy costumes to sell for silver).
     
  2. Dryed

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    Got a Dande and Offin box, both in less than 24 hours :D
    RNG is real my friend, just believe and never give up!
     
  3. Draconnix

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    Because RNG can easily be manipulated, if information would be shown and we would have warranty that no developer is messing around with it then no one would complain.
     
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  4. Boink

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    "RNG" base on statistical number? Or "RNG" as a tinfoil that they added an extra 10% somewhere where the values are already difficult to achieve?

    The only real true value on any statistic % base number are impossibility/improbable (0) and 100%. It will always be true if you loop it in infinity. We don't have the luxury of infinity. Most players just literally count 20% as 1 out of 5 sooo in 5 attempts they should get one.
     
  5. Escapism

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    Its obvious that rng gets manipulated constantly all the time, in many different things in this game. (failstacks themselves are a visible form of "manipulation" of enhancement chances, Luck-stat / S-Knowledges / Node-Levels are another known form of rng-manipulation when it comes to drop-rates, ect... theres also failstacks on horse skill resets, t9 attempts, both visible too but without %). It doesnt matter if or how it gets manipulated, its still rng.

    wether you have 10% success rate on something, or wether the devs give you a 10% bonus on that because they feel like it on a holiday for a total of 11%, it still remains the same rng, its still a result of the same formulas and the same "random number generator", just with different parameters. It also has nothing to do with any seeding or a "good" or "bad" seed (I believe some people here might think seeding would refer to all these different parameters or manipulations used when generating a random number, but seeding is something entirely different).

    People saying things like "bad seed" to blame their bad luck make me seriously question if they have any common sense or knowledge on the matter or if they're just repeating some fancy words they read somewhere about it on the internet out of frustration.


    Ive mentioned this game a few times now on this topic, but: the older Pokemon games were some good examples (and some of the ONLY ones I know of) where a "good" or "bad" seed can actually make the complete difference. Due to the technical limitations of the earlier Gameboy Handhelds the devs had to implement a very primitive form of rng and its seeding, which quickly got cracked and reverse engineered by some fans, nowadays speedrunners in some pokemon games use predetermined exactly calculated seeds to ensure the fastest possible playthrough with the least encounters and the highest-possible starter pokemon stats, and during some generations, people were able to 100% exactly predetermine how they could manipulate the seed to catch guaranteed perfect-IV shiny pokemon, ect.

    Any newer even just somewhat decently coded game, should be using rng which is as close to "true randomness" (which is something that doesnt and cant ever exist irl either btw.), as it could humanly be possible to perceive.
     
  6. Hyppocritten

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    When u play 2000+ hands a day u understand variance and odds much better the when u buy 10 lootboxes every day ;-)

    I agree xept being efficient. If u don't plan/map for end game PvP or leaderboards, efficiency is not even gonna matter. If u start now, don't even bother. I do stupid stuff ingame and enjoy myself a ton. So I welcome pearl items in MP etc so I do t have to spend more money then a VP to support the game. I hope weight etc comes in so I can fool around with different classes. I'm not planning to spend more on this game then that.

    Doesn't make BDO less what it is.
    I just accepted it for what it is.
     
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  7. Gretsia

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    Dude listen that and its not a joke.5/1/2019 a friend started the game (irl friend) and we've been 5 ppl irl friends plaing the game for like 3 years or so.Most of us above soft cap with decent lvl & lifeskills etc etc.
    So fresh new account at 5/1.Dude...i dont know how to say it.1 month & 7 days after he Has EVERY BOSS GEAR (drop ALL of them) exept Muskan,giath & 1 more that he sniped from market (not PO cause he doesnt have the silver ofcourse) he has 3 Vells heart OH YES 3!!On top of that like new player he cant make a lot of silver so we help him though our pay outs instead of 80m each (5 of us) we got like 40m and he got the max payout to help him with silver to enchant his items buy scrolls mems etc etc.No problem for him!!He droped in 4 days 6 damn belonging packs and 4 of them had pri & duo jewels!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I am not even kidding!!
    So i dont know what to say for real...
     
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  8. Fearless V

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    Such is the way and power that Korean MMOs give some players. Hand me down dev. killing powers! So much hard work and difficultly indeed. Right? LEL

    This is another big reason why Western gamers tend to avoid KMMOs like the plague! Hard work and effort is pretty much meaningless in them. Only Luck, Time, and How Much Money you spend in these Korean MMOs and games matter. You basically can leave your basic gaming skills at the door and win in these types of games.

    Which raises the question. Is it you the player who is working towards that victory? Or is it the game handing you that victory while handing others pure defeat? I can imagine that such questions are hard and difficult for these bunch of gamers to ponder. But do me a favor and at least try!

    Now do you see what your so called "hard work and effort" is worth in these games? Lol enjoy your hand me down victories from the devs. I will play other games while progressing. Than in turn I will also enjoy my hand me down victories from the devs. and make all the MEME videos and streams about what it takes to be successful.

    I will make better MEME BDO PvP videos than these guys!

    https://www.twitch.tv/videos/151866100

    https://www.twitch.tv/videos/151866100



    That's all I'm going to link, but you get the point. LEL Leet PvP right there. LOL
     
  9. zeezero

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    This post is 100% tinfoil. You just have to understand that the rng that we work with in bdo is so low that it's very possible that you won't ever get a boss drop. That's why they put them on the NV and you can snipe from MP. so you have alternate route to get loots. Over time you should average out, but if there's a distribution curve there has to be someone on those outside parts of the rng curve. You are unfortunately in that category.
    This game is about very long term. I've been playing since beta, log on daily and have got 3 kzarka boxes, 1 kutum and an offin box drop in 3 years.
    So compared to my 1.5 boxes a year drop, you get none a year. Is that so much different? If I hadn't hit the winner that 1 time that year I would be in the same boat as you.
    How many bosses do you attend?
     
  10. Buddypal

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    I nuked my 145 stack the last day for a TRI Dande after 5 TET attempts of this very Dande and stack with roughly 30% chance.

    I feel fine :)


    @Topic: RNG is a *****.
     
  11. Hezekiel

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    A friends girlfriends friend has friend who works at PA and he told him to tell her then telling him to tell me:
    They are doing it.
     
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  12. Fearless V

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    Sounds like PA just likes getting DDoS all the times!
     
  13. Valestris

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    You belong on the dark web friend definitely not here! You'd fit right in with all the tinfoil there!
     
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    Yes, this game have really disgusting RNG dropRate and Enchant.
     
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    I would have agreed with you 2 months ago but after playing since launch with 0 boss drops or any decent RNG drops at all I hit the jackpot in one week .

    Got red nose drop,dande box,resplendant destruction from event box,and nouver from nightvendor all in the span of one week lol.

    I farmed nagas from 56.5 to 59.9 without a single seraps then bam one within last 10% to 60 and a second right after I dinged 60.

    So I'd say it is RNG ,but sometimes its less brutal to some players
     
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  16. Spartakatz

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    talks about "random" and thinks one must expect a totally homogeneous even distribution where every player gets the same amount of stuff, same average of rare things... LULZ
     
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  17. Boink

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    There are a lot of true randomness in real life. How people experience human emotions like falling in love etc, tossing a coin and it landing vertically, getting dealt a joker card in poker because dealer forgot to burn it, some scenarios that math or statistics can't put into actual equation. It happens. In a computer program almost all rng is base on simple % equations. It has a boundary of 0-100%.

    Another set of example is if Thanos wiped out "50%" of life in the Universe, what happens if it's an odd number? Totally random.

    Yes been playing poker and card/tile games lately. It beats pumping artisans or cron in BDO just to chase for V. I tell you even if my AA gets crack I have better results than in BDO.

    When I said efficient as in making enough to get the desired attempts repetitively. Make back ups and do smart plays.
    If they ever stop pumping changes that are obviously more p2w then I might support the game further. For now, I just stick with the traditional Value Packs route and maybe Kama buffs for Shadow Arena when they fix Warrior.


    The only equation that is true in regards % or "random" is input. 0 chance means not doing any input, the "random" chance is governed by absolutely horrible odds but it definitely beats 0.

    Of course there are alternatives like saving silver and preordering V lol. That takes a lot longer.
     
  18. Spartakatz

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    wut? no sense, you make.
     
  19. Boink

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    Randomness (RNG) is governed by odd base% values. You can't "win" against an "RNG" system if you don't try.

    Or are we insistent that RNG is outside % values and have a different mathematical set value?
     
  20. Spartakatz

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    sorry I have no clue what you're talking about. I answered to the OP's initial post who asked "is there really RNG" and continued to explain his question with giving examples that different people have different amounts of luck. which is a bit nonsensical. if everyone would get always the same, that would be pretty much the exact opposite of RNG.

    yes if you never roll any dice you can't have luck or no luck. but in BDO, there is almost nothing at all that doesn't involve RNG.
     

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