Issues with Open World PVP and suggestions to fix (karmabombing again)

Honestly, I'm getting really fed up of the karma bombing and constant arguing about whether it's right or wrong. It is not an intended design, it is a community created problem and I really wish PA would put a stop to it once and for all.

It's so frustrating to constantly be harrassed by griefers and there is nothing you can do about it. They may as well remove open world PVP from the game right now because it is completely pointless since the person who flags up does not get any sort of reward and only punishment. Please PA... There needs to be RISK VS REWARD. The amount of times lately I've been tempted to quit this game, simply because I'm fed up of not being able to get through 1 hour of grinding (at party spots) without someone coming and ruining the rotation for 4 of us because he refuses to join us when invited and would rather troll.


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Issue:
"Karmabombing" is something that a large part of the community will do these days to take over spots. It's caused by a lack of punishment when dying in open world pvp, so everyone will flag up without giving it a second thought. Also, negative karma punishments may be too strict so people are too scared to go red by forcing someone out of their spot.

Current 'solutions':

• Don't flag (you guys may as well remove open world PVP completely at this point)
• Change channel or spot
• Let them die to mobs
• Use Valencia 6 only even if you are low geared and can't kill anyone there

Potential fixes:

• Rework the flagging/karma system completely (honestly I think this is the best suggestion since it has ALWAYS been a flawed designed).
  
• Increase the amount of max karma you can have. I really think that this should be done regardless because of 5v5 fights - suggestion: https://community.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?threads/karma-pool-needs-to-be-larger.144052/
• Reduce the punishments for dying with negative karma.
• Dying in open world PVP will automatically spawn you at the closest town instead of node.
• Let us kill the same person multiple times for no karma loss in a given time frame.
• Bring back some sort of punishment for dying in PVP.
• Remove "not ready for war" on guilds or limit the amount of buffs and progression the guild can make. It's ridiculous that they can be exempt from wars and still have a 250+ skill point guild with all buffs and members at 480+ gearscore.
• Remove the negative karma punishments (dying to PVP and PVE).. The punishments are extremely severe for this state of the game since PRI, DUO, TRI etc. was introduced. Instead extend the desert jail system to everywhere on the map.

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Issue:
Players griefing others by killing someone multiple times or knocking them low HP to die to mobs.

Current 'solutions':

• Change channel or spot
• Bring people to help you fight them

Potential Fixes:

• Make karma family shared
• Raise the unlock PVP to level 56 to give new players more protection from "high geared players"
• Make it so you can't die to PVE if you are flagged up (must hit someone).

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Issue:
Lack of grind spots that are large enough for viable party grinding and lack of party content. Causes players to grind solo and causes more conflict.

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Somewhat related: Please give us an option to degrade gear enhances at the blacksmith for a fee (instead of using negative karma alts) or just make it not possible anymore.

 

There are safe zones you can use when afk fishing and stuff.. And other things that could be put in place to stop people from griefing like making karma family shared.. The amount of people that kill afk runners and traders for the fun of it is quite minor and people don't want to go into negative karma because the penalties for dying are so strict. Plus right now I can just flag up and use a matchlock to knock you off your horse anyway without losing karma.. It's completely flawed for everyone but no one seems to see that......

And yeah I grind in places that are much more obsure too. But like I said at this point they may as well remove open world pvp altogether since it is uneffective and just causes more issues than it solves. The karma and flag system is completely flawed and perhaps my ideas are not perfect but it is an open world pvp game so of course stronger people are going to kill the weaker for a spot.

 

Yeah I will admit that I do if I really really want to grind because it's the only way to get a spot. I do grind in places with parties now though to try and avoid it as best as I can. Flawed system and the community takes advantage of it.. I'm just fed up of that being the case and I want them to change it so that NO ONE can grief to get what they want.

 

Ok so that 1 channel is for everyone with 500gs... Every other one is for people who are too weak to win in a 1v1. What about the people in between? This is why I'm just gonna outfarm.. Wait for them to flag up and karma bomb from now on EVEN THOUGH I CAN KILL THEM XD If they don't flag up I'll swap and do it on another channel... And when they go red that will be fun too.. The game allows it so if I can't beat them better join them x) See how dumb it is yet?

 

think it's time to just ignore this thread and hope Kakao listens for a change. I forgot that only casuals sit on forum at this time while the rest are actually playing the game.. Isn't it funny though how every other suggestion posted on here gets ignored until it's about something like karmabombing and all the kids have to rush and make sure it's not removed.

Toxic community making this game unjoyable once again GG time to move to another MMO I guess xD

 

Just putting this idea out there as well with a bit of detail:

• Remove the PVE and PVP

The problem is that people who want to grind do not go there because they don't want to deal with PVP. They want to pop their 200% and other buffs and grind in peace.. Only people who are looking for PVP go to valencia 6 and they usually go to spots like sausans where they are much stronger than the average person who grinds there (since they are looking for pvp). I personally don't agree with PVP channels.. If there was more incentive to go there like actual rewards for PKing someone, then that would be cool and give more people a reason to use them.