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Less RNG

Discussion in 'General Gameplay' started by GreyRebel, Aug 24, 2018.

  1. CrestFirill

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    Nah I dont think Im the only one, I know Im not the only one, what I do know is that the only people who complain are usually those on a dry streak or those who dont know how to upgrade. For the former the answer is simple: rng is rng, hush. For the latter its even simpler: Learn to enhance, hush.
     
  2. Exoskelett

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    I also did quit multiple times since 2016 for many months, bcz of RNG and the very first time because of pets.
    But nowadays 2 weeks after im done with battle for windows 95 performance and its casualization in every aspect i heard from BDOs Graphic updates and now im back in :O.

    The things i could and would wish for BDO are really simple... like force enhancement for all items and levels (like TET, Pen), more items and better ones in general so you arent done with the game at Pen, Dungeons, general content that strengthens guild play - like just Targets you can aim for while playing the game.

    When i played WoW the last 2 weeks, i was farming heavily in PvE to get proper gear and have a solid basis for PvP, that was my goal - then i have arrived at PvP and had to notice the game was a mess with its scalability everywhere, making it highly questionable to pay a monthly fee for an AFK No Gear needed game.

    Now in BDO i can spend months geting my gear in a good shape, BUT, the question im always on about, is it worth for the heavy RNG and if my gear gets better, im still grinding and grinding and grinding... like that kept me away many times from BDO - its lackluster progress and content.
    I wish they could bring up more and different things to do in this game, except AFK fishing, trading or just 24/7 grinds, with "playwalls" to get further and do other things.

    When looking at wow, you level up to 120, thats your first goal and while you do that youll enjoy the world (as long as your eyes dont burn away from bad graphics) - in BDO its sorta the same, except that the quests arent well made.
    Once you hit 120 you grind dungeons, your goal is 305 gearscore to get into the next "level" of heroics, where you farm even better gear to have a chance at mythics - like this kind of gameplay is what keeps me going to play and play and play, not even complaining about fees or paying for sth.

    In BDO its just sandbox, barely any (apart from some Gquests, worldbosses and pvp at grindspots i had none!) activity with other players, feels like online but still offline RPG - plays like a hack & slay Diablo3 kind of game, that has no real goal to aim for, wich could make you happy or give you a challenge... all just RNG gear upgrading and grind for the RNG God, running around with the same items all year.

    I wouldnt have a problem to pay like 100m gold for a guaranteed TRI, 600m for TET and so on... but all honestly, where are the milestones in this game to have that? I wanna unlock some progress for having gear, like going into dungeons that require XYZ Gear with friends and after geting new gear do sth different etc.

    When i made lvl 60 with my mythic, i was looking for something bigger to do after except grinding gahaz - but there was nothing, farm money for gear and the gear you maybe get after some year wont bring you somewhere, its just empty spaces of grinding.
    All i do in BDO is trying to enjoy the immersion, graphics and looks of the game aswell as the fighting, once they get boring i quit, because the game doesnt offer me a goal to keep playing, wich like i said i wish for it did.

    Like just get even better gear would keep me playing, but idk why boss gear isnt even stronger than a greeny if its not upgraded.. its just wasted gameplay. imagine you gota get your green gear to TRI and after that you gota farm and some great spot for your boss items, that straight up are better than your current - thats what im missing here, upgrades and progress.
     
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  3. GreyRebel

    GreyRebel DarkKnight 62 EU

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    Im not even gonna reply to that
    "RNG is RNG , learn to enhance?
    So wich 1 should i learn to enhance from the guy who cabt even get gears to tri and claims to know how to enhance , or go for rng is rng?

    Tnx to you now we know rng is rng ......
     
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  4. CrestFirill

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    You act like nobody has ever succeeded any enhance above TRI lol
    There's guides, sheets, websites, video's everything about enhancing, with just a little research you're able to find how to do it somewhat properly, from there it becomes RNG and then the only reason you'd have to complain would be because you're too weak minded to realize that the second you hit "enhance" you have to have settled with it failing. You can't expect it to work, if you do, you don't understand the mechanic. TET rouletting means you expect everything to fail, but maybe one will succeed. Only truly RNG carried players or people that just arent capable of understanding failure will flip their sh*t if they fail them all. Try to argue that it's normal to expect any TET roulette to succeed, I dare you give me a proper argument why it'd be the case with this mechanic.

    Just because you can't deal with a mechanic, aren't preparing yourself for it properly or are just not willing to accept that that's the game you're playing, doesn't mean you can just up and expect the game to change.

    EDIT: If you want a good example of how you should think about enhancing, try watching a video by Odz, several times in his TET or PEN video you hear him say "if not now, when?" or "im tapping it sooner or later anyway", clearly he's settled with the fact that it will fail more than it succeeds and it will always make you kinda sad when it fails, but he hasnt said the game should change in those video's.

    Accept the game you're playing or play a different one. Don't expect it to change for you.
     
  5. GreyRebel

    GreyRebel DarkKnight 62 EU

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    U probebly dont get it at all , mybe ur golden goal is to get boss gears tet in years , u cant just say stay on softcap ... Some of us want to be able to get better gears to higher ap content ,so thats the solution ? Dont upgrade or spend years n years of gambeling upgrades n never get it coz rng is rng as u said ,and mybe i should remind u that no matter how good u r , u might stuck on geting a gear to pen for years , 100s of try nu can lose hundreds of bilions n dont get it but some1 get it at first attempt , but its fine for u , ud grind more for years and then fail again , afterall rng is rng .......
    To add to what i said would u be ok at ur job to get an rng amount of money as salary?
     
  6. CrestFirill

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    I don't really see how pen or tet is any different? You know what you are getting into when you click enhance. Everything I said applied to your softcap goal or the post-softcap goal. That doesn't change the fact that yes, it is still pure rng. PEN is supposed to be hard, just because you fail it a few dozen times, doesn't mean its impossible, it doesn't mean the game needs to adapt, it means you're unlucky. Statistics wise you'll probably end up above average with the amount of pens attempted each day. You almost act like you DESERVE to get PEN after a few attempts. You don't. Simple as that. If you can't wrap your head around that then honestly the issue is with you, clearly not with the game.

    You act like you should be getting the MAXIMUM enhancement for a piece of armor with easy or by getting x amount of fails you should at least get 1. That's not how rng works. If you can't understand that then this game might just not be for you. Hundreds of billions silver don't imply you deserve to get something. There's plenty of people who refuse to go beyond softcap, because they dont want to go that way. At softcap getting silver isn't even that much of an issue. And since you thought it'd be a good idea to compare getting enhancements (or essentially silver) like it's a job, then it's safe for me to assume you'd spend 8 hours a day, 5 days a week MINIMUM at gyfin. Which should easily land you a couple of bil a week, especially with proper workers set up, proper afk'ing etc. Since it's so much a job for you, then obviously you have all of this. Your argument of hundreds of billion silver lands face first into a concrete with that. Silver loses its value at that point, If you can grind a couple of bil of silver a week then losing that amount isn't a problem either. I mean if you'd make 10k/month, you'd end up spending money of that too, right? You'll get enjoyment out of spending it, which is the same for spending silver on BDO. You get your bit of enjoyment from the attempt and you move on.

    If you compare BDO with a proper irl job, then your income isn't getting an enhancement, it's getting the silver to spend in the game. How you spend it is up to you, but that doesn't mean that if you decide to spend it on a lottery ticket that you expect every 5 tickets to win the jackpot. That'd be ridiculous.

    Im assuming by the way you're talking you have better gs then me, but that doesn't change the fact we're playing the same god damn lottery. Maybe our aims for the prize is different but we still play in the same system. But instead of me making maximum money an hour, I deal with a lower paying job to still play the game. Wouldn't it be me that'd have to complain much more than you? So why am I not? Simple. Because the way we view the game differ. I see it as enjoyment, you see it as a job. If you're at that point, then why don't you just consider quitting if it's that bad? Instead of looking at that option you expect the lottery to change its entire system for you. Sorry but how dare you be that stuck up. Calm your little behind down and enjoy the game you're given. Nobody forces you to go past softcap, nobody forces you to hit enhance and you know the risks of when you buy a lottery ticket, don't blame the lottery for you wanting to win the jackpot with slim chances.
     
  7. Angra =[NuD]=

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    not a troll its not hard its just tet... Pen is whats hard
     
  8. GreyRebel

    GreyRebel DarkKnight 62 EU

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    My friend keeps failing even at tri with green gears , with more than max effective fs. N thats just green , so imagin for yellows n boss gears u might be upgrading n failing for years , and yes if some1 tell me he got full tet in 2 months id call him a troll
     
  9. Lunaus

    Lunaus LunaGore DarkKnight 59 NA

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    I don't know how new you are but I played during launch, quit shortly after Valencia was released, came back shortly after Halloween, and then quit until about Jan 2018. I've leveled a few classes to 56 that I had sitting at 50, got at least 2 Lv.59's, and I've been able to afford a full set of DUO Grunil, and multiple DUO/TRI weapons for different classes. When I quit having a few million in silver was considered rich, I came back with nothing but the small amount of silver I got for having so many alts. I had to grind for more silver, relearn my classes again, and save/scrimp to be able to pre-order TRI because even with the max amount of stacks I failed on multiple attempts (at least 5 attempts) and now I'm sitting on some TET stacks. Play the game, grind, farm for cash, do some scrolls for memory frags and build stacks OR save your silver and pre-order it.

    There's also the update tomorrow to level up your enhance to 100% but it consumes full durability which means you still have to PLAY THE GAME to get memory frags to repair the durability! So just play the game? ;D
     
  10. Dryed

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    Indeed..
    Why did you pick this game? All KR games like this... you want simple and easy progression? Go play WOW, its made for people like you.
     
  11. GreyRebel

    GreyRebel DarkKnight 62 EU

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    I played wow , n if u think wow is simple n easy , i think u have no idea what wow is , it rewards u based on ur skill not ur luck , only afew people can do heroic n challenge modes of new raids , and i picked this game coz i liked it , i love the graphic , n animations n other things this game offers , i just dont lile the rng part
     
  12. Dryed

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    I know exactly what WOW is, anybody in non retarded guild group with voice can do heroic/nightmare modes.. doesn't take much skill. This is KR MMO, casino is part of it, if you don't like it, go do some challenging heroic dungeons lol, takes about a week or 2 before its becomes boring and you already geared.
     
  13. GreyRebel

    GreyRebel DarkKnight 62 EU

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    It make me doubt more that u even who what wow is , sure u heard stories ,
    Any1 can do nightmares? Ok lol
    Ohhh i get it now , u said with a good guildddd , like 9 super pro and none retarded people and lol you.... So they carry you ,
    Eveeeen eveeen if bosses r as easy as doing world bosses here , lile afk loot , id still say its better than rng ,
    Challenge dungeons in 2 weeks? Ok ur high ...come bk later ...
     
  14. CrestFirill

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    I'm sorry but you seem to be fully ignoring the fact that he's pointing out what kind of game BDO is, all you're doing is taking stabs (and offense) to him giving him thoughts/opinion on what kinda of game WoW is...

    Not even sure if you're trying to just argue about WoW at this point or if you're looking to discuss the issue you have with BDO.
     
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    I don't think you have any idea what it is too play wow as a regular player, maybe for challenged people it might seem difficult, but how many times do you need to do same mechanic to learn it? for me I'd easily say couple of time + some1 over voice leading the raid, like in ALL good raids...
     
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    Considering how there is a sizable majority of players who don't actually use their brain for anything while playing, it could take even a thousand tries. Hell, I've seen someone do over 50 runs on MCNM in Tera and still fail miserably on every mech that can kill him.
     
  18. Kynreaa

    Kynreaa DarkKnight 62

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    Heh..you make me want to try WOW again...I doubt it's difficulty, but this comes from the fact Iv failed Dead cells 4 times now, made it to the 3rd level the first run, then died twice on the first level.

    I left WoW for a reason, but it was so long ago..I cannot remember why. BDO tried and failed to fill the void so what is left to lose in trying again....$15? hell last I left off i was level 70 so perhaps Ill get some good lore. Good AI can be multiple times better then a toxic community.
     
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    What i would like to see, is that they remove the maximum fs chance on something, right now, there is a maximum fs, going higer won't increase your chances. If they would just allow you to reach 100% by getting a very high failstack, i would not be so annoyed at my items failing 50 times on +13...
     
  20. Kynreaa

    Kynreaa DarkKnight 62

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    In what way is that profitable?
    Any suggestion that does not contribute towards profit is obviously a failed one with this company...Perhaps if you dealt with a western dev they would listen.

    Iv suggested such a system last year, and white knights beat me down.
     

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