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Lets talk about Red players on the sea

Discussion in 'General Gameplay' started by Denthors, May 17, 2020.

  1. Denthors

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    and the fact that there is :
    1. absolutely no gains or lost for the attacker if s/he kills players or dies in game.
    2. and then the defender, if, s/he dies, loses everything.

    There is even an EXCLUSIVE PEARL item in game, not available for loyalty(1 per 3 days , sorry :P ) ), that "resurrect" your boat and its content.

    I am also wondering why there is not a hoard of "blue" players hunting those "red" players
    I guess the risk is to high for the "blue" players to actually care about hunting those... I am sorry but I have to say it... those jerks.

    but I guess its all in Kakaogames favour to let this "PKing" on the sea a thing, since, it brings them profit.
    I even came to the conclusion that Kakaogames is probably paying those players to hunt legit peaceful players to make sure there is a steady income coming from tears.

    I never understood those players and theirs motivation.

    discuss......
     
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  2. Darkkem

    Darkkem DarkKnight 61 NA

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    whats the name of the pearl Item?
     
  3. Denthors

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  4. Darkkem

    Darkkem DarkKnight 61 NA

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    Tears of the wind?.. can get one a day for 300 loyalty...
     
  5. PancakeRift

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    Well the karma system is out dated imo. Its far too punishing because it only focuses on the gear of your character. Penalising gear that takes days to just get the crystals for alone is way too far.

    So the fact I now have an option to kill people without being punished into ****ing oblivion I kind of like. Now, dont get me wrong. There SHOULD be some negative repercussions for doing these kinds of things to people. A fleshed out jail system would be real cool. Notoriety system, bounty system. All exploitable if done poorly, but if done right it adds further depth.

    Hopefully this causes enough of a rage to get this god awful karma system revamped. Till then ill just keep sinking ships because its the only form of OWPVP I can get. Why dont I use Arsha? coz there is a contract there to kill each other. Kinda defeats the reason of OWPVP imo. Things are more fun when nothing is agreed upon.
     
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  6. Fearless V

    Fearless V Lahn 61 NA

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    I'll never get players like yourself. All your bragging about griefing others for the fun of it has done. Is proved to PA that the current karma system is at best decent if not they should increase penalty from it. You would've done yourself a lot more good if your didn't say anything like this.
     
  7. Denthors

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    you're right we can buy 1 per 3 days but then you can't buy anything else, I don't know if you spend a lot of time on the sea but that is not enough considering the amount of "red" players out there waiting for you. s/he can also just stand there wait and spawn kill you, since, if you change channel prior to using the item you ... can't use it, they also kill you and you also have to use that othere tear at least those they give a lot..

    the "Resurrection" should be totally free for you and your boat when we are kill'd by a red player. no bartering / trade item destruction, no sick sailor, no durability lost on ship and gear, BUT that "free" choice should bring us and our boat to nearest town / wharf

    if you wanna wait till the red player leave and pop those tears and risk been killed again than go and spend that loyalty/pearl for the convenience of re spawning on the spot

    another solution would be to raise that open world pvp agreement from lvl 50 to lvl 62
    or even better just add a simple on/off button in the setting, set to off by default when implanted if turned on put a huge CD on it and also it can't be turn back off till your whole characters are in the positive
    but when its on position "off" you are immune to "red" players

    but then again I still don't see any potential reason for any players to turn "red" in BDO, since there is nothing to gain out of it. outside of some daily mission in the desert that ask you to kill 3 players for some CP exp.

    it so badly done, that even when you encounter a hacker or if you wanna hunt hackers, you get punished for it.
     
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  8. PancakeRift

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    I'm not bragging about anything. I am outlining something I enjoy very much in MMO's. Its a two way street. I get bodied from time to time as well.

    Done myself a lot of good by saying nothing? No, if anything it cant get any worse. Why cant it get worse? Because I already use red characters on the main land with PEN/TET Akum gear and TET boss weapons. So I guess ill "brag" on that then. I have freedom to attack and die to anyone and not get penalised on the mainland too since trash crystals isnt a penalty. Another huge floor in the karma system.

    I like having that anxiety in game of never being safe, always getting ready to be jumped. Become an RPK'er in any MMO and you get to keep that pressure. The karma system blocks a lot of that for me. So if I RPK and go red, or am just hostile when I want a grind spot/in a grind spot. Things spice up. You ever quested with a death squad chasing you? It makes it so much god damn fun.
     
  9. woots

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    pretty much, as much as forced pvp in general is just annoying, at least it give "some" power to the "no i dont want you forced pvp", but yeah penalty for using forced pvp should be increased.
    Or have separated pve - pvp with whatever rework of "owpvp" rules for thoses really willing to play with that. As somes players still dont understand that not everyone have to play by their "owpvp made up rules" ( several time now, saw players asking for duel for spot, and by saying "no", thoses players turned up to become pretty toxic because i dont have to play by their rules; so ended on purpose ks to try to trigger the "pk", and / or pk-ing my character repeatively )


    As for the topic : players motivation : smash their top kek powercreeped power on other players face to feel powerfull, as many certainly are not pleased to have BDO not be the "owpvp games" they want ( => have power over others in the pve world with their RNG gear2win via "pvp"" )
     
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    Fearless V Lahn 61 NA

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    Keep talking, that shovel you are using to dig your own grave seems to be worn out already. Would you like another one? And people like you are wonder why PA is slowly but surly removing forced PvP from the game, little by little.

    You have only yourself to blame for such a karma system. And if you keep it up I assure you it can and will get worst for people like yourself.
     
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    don't get me wrong am not saying BDO should not have owpvp, but can we have at least a reward for hunting those "red" player ?

    I don't see any quest in the game asking me to kill 3 "red" player for CP exp
     
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    Fearless V Lahn 61 NA

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    I think red players should lose all items in inventory if killed. But that's just me.
     
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    hell the new free gear they gave up cant be use when you hit -1 karma
    its telling the new player that if they wanna kill players to get the real gear
    but in the same way filling kakaogames pocket :P with both tears and art meme :P
    same goes for that "lifeskiling" event atm :P lol what a bait :P 580 gathering mastery and everyone become crazy
     
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    Fearless V Lahn 61 NA

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    Damn, I did not know that. lol
     
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    yup, as soon as you hit -1 karma if you equipped with either free tri set you become naked :P
    Sans titre.png
     
  16. LightningFFXIII-4

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    I dont usually go to Vell since my RNG is garbage. But today i decide to show up with the guild and i go afk to make coffee. I come back dead and half the platoon is dead. Someone shot both the guild ships, leaving us stranded in the middle of the ocean.

    And yes, they help Elion Tear sales too. Fish and shark outfit as well.
     
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  17. PancakeRift

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    What, the best they can do is the introduction of PvE servers. Those are just playgrounds for griefers. The worst thing someone can do imo is rotation grief. You better believe that is gonna plague a PvE channel.

    Also how have the been removing forced PvP little by little? Give me an example please, coz I dont see one at all.
     
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    There are a few easy steps to avoid getting killed...

    First: Dont drive or wait afk in a battlezone LOL
    Second: Built yourself a carrack and you have a higher protection cause they dont know which gear you have
    Third: Log out or switch the server if you are under attack, even a caravel with grean gear can take 2 volleys of a carrack. Enough time to avoid getting killed. And dont try to tell me that on the other server at exact the same position and time is someone that is trying to kill you too.

    Last but not least. Lol? You are playing a PVP game and are complaining about PVP? Dont leave the Olvia Server, dont go beyond level 49 or dont leave the safezones. Its easy as that.
     
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    because that game only have a "owpvp" option just for the sake of having that option while beeing really used nowhere in game. ( = its nothing of a pvpve game )
    Its basicaly just a way for somes pve players to feel good with their rng gear2win smashing others players without any skill needed. Which make sense considering their buisiness model based on casino gear obtention + zero pve challenge
    => lazy #ss design

    it say item effect, not that you lose all stat / base AP / ACC
    From my understanding, it mean you loose : Extra damage to all species & Extra AP vs mobs & casting/atk speed
     
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  20. thdsm

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    The karma system on sea is entirely moronic right now, which is the usual business in BDO as everything is only ever half-done. Only idiots and griefers do sea pvp right now as it is entirely pointless, entirely risk-free, unchallenging and arguably unfun because the mechanics aren't the best (there are some things you can be better or worse at, but it's all pretty easy honestly). Unfortunately the same applies to hunting them: it is a waste of time, it gives no penalty, so you need to have a special grudge to do it. And even then, anyone who knows that they can relog when under attack is completely unkillable. Which is why the best thing to do if you're getting ganked and don't have the ability to fight back (you're in your caravel vs a carrack) - relog.

    It would be very easy to make a proper sea pvp system with real piracy (looting barter goods) and bounty hunting, but it would require at least half an hour of a game designer's time to think up (I just made one up in about 10 minutes, so half an hour for a korean), and another half an hour to balance and clear it of all the potential loopholes, so it likely won't happen. In fact, the best chance is that nothing will happen at all, which also means that relogging will stay, so just use that.

    P.S. If you are in a carrack of any type, you can always defend yourself against any other carrack - as long as you stay defensive you can do damage without taking any. Possible exceptions being +10 blue gear but those are rare. Just think about how the geometry of a fight works and figure it out. You won't kill them if they aren't complete idiots, but you'll make them piss off.
     

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