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nerf witch/wiz

Discussion in 'PvP' started by Gunism, Mar 8, 2017.

  1. Nacario

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    So u write a long paragraph with wild and inaccurate claims, and some guy has the decency to debunk it in a fair manner, and this is how you respond. A poor showing!
     
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  2. Jeziorspz

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    Tamers for example, can pull more mobs than other classes ;)
     
  3. War

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    Nothing new, though

    Hmm. Do you play witch/wizard?
    You are aware that sages does not have an outcome on awakened skills.. Correct?

    Yeah but witch and wizards are nuke, glass cannon classes. Ninjas are stacked with evasion, lock down, grabs and etc.
    If a ninja could do the amount of damage we do in the same time and as consistently, i don't think many people would play this game.
    We have a ninja in our guild who can fight 12+ players regardless of their gear.
    This is not a reality for any witches or wizards in the sense that if we don't delete everyone when we cast, we're stuck with half baked options.
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    A 320+ dp 60/61 wiz is not what people are complaining about. Besides, 320 dp is not enough. Come back when you've played wizard around 380 dp before you start making claims you're not solid on. Not sure who you're fighting, but most 60/61s are fighting ap monkies with 240+. 320 is not enough, still glass cannon standard.
    Wizard ult also ****s up on landscape.
    Ontop of that, our teleport is only about 40% iframe(on both classes), being that it can be stopped before it ever goes off.
     
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  4. Crombo

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    nerf witch/wiz? you mean nerf DK or?
     
  5. Chors

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    Someone make meme from this ******** please. Glass cannon , hope you are joking.
     
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  6. Kauni

    Kauni Archer 62 EU

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    I appreciate you gave the wizard extra 5% dmg reduce and casting + movement speed, sadly we don't have it :P Yes, ninja is a single target dps class, but he also can wipe a whole group with 1-2 spells, right? Wizards heals are strong if nobody interrupts them, thats always been like that in every game, thats why you also able to interrupt the heals, like in every game. Every class (except a musa probably) can kill wizard 1on1. Like I said, yes, wizard/witch do more dmg because they lack the mobility, it also actually makes no sense why wizard/witch should be a class who needs to combo people. I mean I wouldn't mind if we turn to a class with some combos and insane mobility but why you want to give every class same mechanics? :P
     
  7. YoMa

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    What's the point of pulling more mobs when you can just one shot anything that's relevant for grinding...
    Except Pila ku/aakman, but hey, guess what, wiz and witch can pull more mobs as well and they do double your damage on mobs!
     
  8. Nacario

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    At least u can 1v1 em n take the spot!
     
  9. YoMa

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    Well, wizard/witch can also easily 1v1 tamers due to their low magic DP reduction :') ...

    A friend of mine who's Lv61 wizard says biggest problems he has are against dk, ninja, valk, and zerker, at least geared ones, but those are the classes everyone struggles against, as they're meant to cuz they have strong single target combos and high damage... And a grab, unless dk but why'd they need one with that damage and mobility (even tho damage is lower than wiz/witch since nerf)

    But what makes wizard/witch unfair is that they can perform really well against EVERYONE in 1v1, if you play it right, your superarmor, blocks, medium range, pet and damage allow you to do that easily. What most wizards do wrong is they stack up on AP instead of DP, you don't really need AP, and the DP will make you tanky as hell. Also, avoid going with evasion crystals and what not, use HP ones to make your heals stronger and to feel tankier...
    You also have the protection which makes you unkillable for what, 6 or 8 seconds if I recall well?
    More than enough for that short fight over the spot if you really want to 1v1 as witch/wizard...

    You said tamers can 1v1 you for the spot, yeah, try that with desync, if you time your water jail well, it will definitely CC tamer through the dash, and then you can easily finish him off with 1 more extra spell... Such a hard thing to do, right?
    What tamer has to do is iframe every single spell of yours, do proper combo to CC and damage you (kinda hard to do with all that superarmor and block), and if his grab fails (which often happens to them, they complain when they fight me so much lol...), you can easily teleport out and heal to full, giving you a second chance.

    Other classes DON'T EVER have a second chance against wizard/witch, if you land one skill, there's no way enemy can escape the second shot which kills them, wizards and witches with enough DP have more than one chance, unless you fight a 240AP dark knight, which two shots everyone much like wizard, except they've mobility instead of tankiness, but they're full glass cannons so some classes have a chance against them (ninja especially).

    So yeah, some classes stand absolutely no chance against wizard and witch in 1v1, yet wizard and witch have a chance against every single other class.
    As for group pvp, must I really even mention that? Wizard, witch and dark knight just do such a high damage no other class can fight them in group fights, hence why most 3v3 teams in tournaments have both wiz/witch and a dk + third random class... But wizard and witch have AoE heals, DP buff, attack and movement speed buff and they are tanky enough to take a few hits until teammates rescue them.
    If you look at top siege guilds, guess which classes have 100+ kills and the titles for that? Wizard, witch and recently dark knights... Can others do that? Nope, not unless you're full PEN, but stumble upon a full PEN wizard and witch, and you'll still lose ^^

    As for PvE grinding, hah, look, wizard and witch are on the top once again, followed by dark knight which grinds a bit slower, and by musa (weak mobs only, and if he's geared) which is kinda useless in PvP... I've yet to see one which can be useful in a PvP combat.
    Being able to grind faster than anyone allows you to make money faster than anyone, so gearing up is easier as well for you, hah.

    With full PEN gear (TET accs), wizard and witch are definitely on TOP of the PvP/PvE list, so yeah, get gear and easy life even if you've no skills whatsoever in playing your class... With other classes, well, you'd still need to know what you're doing in order to survive in PvP, except striker but he still has no awakening so have yet to see how high dmg will he do...

    But yeah, all together, wizard and witch are currently imbalanced, hell, even koreans know that and they want to buff every other class, which started happening last week as everyone except wiz/witch/dk got a small buff. So yeah, you can't really deny your class is imbalanced, balance is coming whether you like it or not, no point arguing and saying your class isn't imbalanced when PA knows it is and buff for everyone else is surely coming ^^;

    Can't wait for the reroll to new class wave once your class finally gets balanced, I presume you'll all go to striker or that new female class hahah...
     
  10. Nacario

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    So much troll without even knowing it and so little insight

    I dont understand why you mention your wizard lvl 61 friend which doesnt resemble any skill cuz any class can get there, all you need is time, same way im lvl 59 already on my ninja in very short time yet I lack quite some skill/muscle memory on it. I find it quite amusing that you say he supposedly only struggle against dk, ninja, valk and zerker, when theres plenty of more classes out there capable of besting a wizard.

    Which classes stand "absolutely no chance against wizard and witch 1v1?" This is already heavily false and indicates that you're just someone sitting on the fence judging.

    And there you go on again with your inaccurate gibberish talk "Can't wait for the reroll to new class wave once your class finally gets balanced, I presume you'll all go to striker" as if you know me or that I've in fact been a wizard since day one through hard times as unawakened vs awak. Keep living in denial cuz wizard will remain the same mechanically, and if you cant learn to work around it, you'll still keep bashing that head to the wall thinking you're the superior player.

    Also fun fact for you, everyone has a chance in a 1v1 if you are the engager, know what's ahead and quick enough, dont be a passive meatbag and you'll be surprised of the results.
     
  11. War

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    We are glass cannon. We only have 2(as wizards) or three(as witches) defensive abilities.
    Mana Shield and Protective Field.
    IF you're blowing all your nuke skills while these 10-30 second buffs are up, that's YOUR FAULT for being an unskilled player.
    These are the ONLY defensive skills we have that are reliable(Teleport can be stopped before triggering.)
    You should learn what you're talking about before addressing someone more knowledgeable than you.
     
  12. LeWaffles

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    Hes talking about the fact that witch and wizard nowadays go heavy DP and/or evasion builds I think. As in stats.
    And PA is pretty damn strong. just cause you only have a few doesn't mean the few you have aren't reaaaaaally good.
     
  13. War

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    Wizard tank build doesn't start til 360+ dp.
    That much DP and you're not looking at us doing much damage at all, if that makes sense, unless you're pure glass cannon(below 300 dp, which is the graceful standard for glass cannon builds.)
     
  14. Beirut

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    that aint true at all.
    IF you read all the content he stated this:
    • they can perform really well against EVERYONE in 1v1,
    • you don't really need AP, and the DP will make you tanky as hell
    • Also, avoid going with evasion crystals and what not, use HP ones to make your heals stronger and to feel tankier...
    as you can see he is going full troll mode.

    Evasion is the reason why blocks are holding so long in this game and why you actually survive because the hit missed. He is practicly saying stack DP and HP recovery to get tanky as hell then you will be able to delete every other class.

    First HP recovery works like this:
    The more HP recovery you have the more HP you will get max 60hp per 1~2 sec.
    The more HP recovery you have the faster the health regen per seconds.
    HP recovery does not give more health when you heal. The heals of a witch/wizard is based on the max HP of the witch and wizard so HP recovery/regen are just useless.
    So based on this he doesn't know anything about this part.

    There are different kinds of DP:
    • Evasion, allows the user to completly ignore a hit, most cc hits are based on hit so it actually counts aswell as resistance
    • Reduction, the reduction of all the hits so let's say you hit 7 times thenthe hit get reduced every 1 hit of the 7 times it hits ignoring the rest of the dmg.
    No matter what you think completly evade the hit and not getting cced is what we all go for so not stacking evasion is a complete troll argument.

    Implying that we are still doing dmg after we stacked DP is a lie aswell. Sure it works if you overgeared someone but depending on PVE and PVP it aint a good choice.
    The current meta is like this because of the clear speed of the witch and wizard in PVE + aoe's you can get money fast while the DP has to struggle to get things done.
    The meta for PVP is the same because if we can not 2 shot someone then we are basicly crap especially if the foe has stacked evasion. If you still go for DP you will be placed everywere as a support because you do NOT do dmg. The dmg of the witch and wizard has to reach a certain cap to do an insta kill combo same with other classes. It is true that you will win in a 1v1 if you go for DP because potting aint allowed, so you can just heal up.
    Going for DP is therefor a no unless you want to be a complete support, but dw even if you stacked all that DP it is basicly useless when it comes to groupfights and you will only exceed in 1 v 1.

    So there is a reason why people go for AP, Accuracy and evasion instead of DP and HP recovery.

    Well I can undermine more what he sayd but you get the point he's basicly a complete troll.
     
  15. LeWaffles

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    What the hell do you mean that isn't true at all?
    Theyre all running evasion armor with high DP. Rocaba is the name of the game for them
     
  16. Beirut

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    "Hes talking about the fact that witch and wizard nowadays go heavy DP and/or evasion builds I think"
    He is trolling while you gave a decent answer how we should translate that ttroll but that is not what he meaned
     
  17. Kauni

    Kauni Archer 62 EU

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    Is your friend playong on EU server? I doubt he got no problem vs geared warrior, tamer, ranger... would like to see it :) So if he plays EU he could fight this classes, got some guild guys with avaerage gear, really curious if he is able to take them out 1on1.

    Top if PvE and group-PvP, not 1on1. Was fighting a 253 AP DK yesterday, the mechanic does not allow me to catch him as wizard and if I play pus*y-mode, he can just do the same and will win, cause he got the range dmg. I mean yes, I am only at 305 dp (while he said I am tankier than their 340 dp wiz) but without manashield I died in 1 stun, not even KD needed. And if you say something like "don't get cc'd, use your super armor"... well I do, but they just ignore and I get the cc, lovely BDO servers ;) an issue which I have only vs dk and sorc
    Nevertheless wiz don't have the mechanic to win 1on1 (same gear + player skill).. it's more about luck, desync and enemys fail...

    I am really, really surprised you didn't mention warriors... I mean... look here..


    This is one of the worst warriors EU and he killed lvl 61 wizard from one of top guilds EU... no effort, just random buttons spam...
    This wiz was even one of the best pre awk wizards back in the days

    I would really like to see your lvl 61 buddy fighting vs some classes you didn't mention :)
     
  18. Kauni

    Kauni Archer 62 EU

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    Nobody said that I guess :D

    I am a DR "stacked" wizard with 208//210//305, we can duel a bit if you play EU :>
     
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    There is no way that warrior on the video have only full grunil.. useless the wiz ap is like 180.
    Wiz and witchs are OP in groups fights and thats not a secret but in 1 v 1 warrior is one of the most cancerous char to face for any class in particolar those without grabs
     
  20. TET boss armor with TET Kutum is standard boss gear, not DP stack. If you think it's "DP stack", it speaks volumes about how overpowered Magical Shield and Protected Area are. It's DP that all classes can easily burst through in one combo, doesn't matter if it's evasion or DR. And please don't tell me it's 2x TRI Red Coral Ring, evasion offhand and normal TRI boss armor, because I'll rotfl on the spot.

    Yeah, Wizard is underpowered 1v1 and needs mobility buff to be even remotely viable. Doesn't change the fact 305 DP is standard, normal DP for anyone that does sieges and is not Maehwa/Musa/DK.
     

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