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Discussion in 'General Gameplay' started by DarkKnightMasterRace, Oct 24, 2018.
i don't even have a ninja. they look silly
in before he tells you, there is no skill in bdo, and he is the best player in all other games but bdo because there is no skill involved.
and that you're incompetent player that like easy games because you play bdo and not some casual-crap game like gw2 or wow
And with that you already show that you have no idea about this games classes. Those classes are not strong because of protected ccs...they are strong cause of other points. Just to show you, here a list of all protected ccs the classes still have left:
So as you can see, most classes have somewhere between 3-5 protected ccs, some classes have absurd amount of protected ccs (and those are not ninja/kuno.
Funnily enough, Lahn has the most protected ccs but is still trash, so what you're saying is completly wrong.
Kuno and (especially) ninja right now are not strong because of their crazy iframes (they are pretty ****) and their absurd amount of protected ccs (lol), they are strong because their playstyle is right now and always was very quick and not about protection. They are strong because they can very quickly cc you and you can't really counter it. They didn't get stronger, but other classes got down on their level (or even lower) by nerfing perma sa and allowing ninja/kuno to punish that easily.
Striker and Mystic indeed have a lot of protected cc in preawa, but those are rather slow, can't be cancelled and are easily punishable IF you know when to...but guess what, that actually requires skill and not just skill spamming.
Don't confuse balance for the best players in the game with balance for the masses. eg. Sorc is so hard/unforgiving to play that most (including me) suck at it
60%+ of siege guilds are witch and wizard...... Before you make a very lengthy post, maybe you should be in one of them to know that.
The main god tier classes for end game pvp are witch, wizard, striker, and ninja. The guild I'm in has over 60 witchards (the "#1" guild on NA is also built somewhat like this), 8 strikers, 5 ninjas. Mystic is RARELY seen in siege. Most guilds have as many maehwa's as they have mystics which is under 5. So for the OP to say the other classes are END GAME PvP is a joke. Don't believe me? Go watch any VOD from a Vertex streamer or watch any of the streamers from Snake when they have sieges, it's obvious what the true "end game" classes are.
so... why arent u a witchzard? coupons are out. im sure ud love it and conquer arsha with it
my eyes... Zerker: 12 protected ccs.
where the hell you get these numbers? I tell you why "12" is absurdly wrong, if you didn't know
- 4 "protected ccs" are stationary HEALs useless in melee range
- 3 "protected ccs" are grabs (do they even matter in your context?)
- 1 is "Predatory Hunt" super armor with cc bound but let all zerkers comment about this particular skill :lul:
- 1 is "Tackling Rock", FG, read above
That leaves us with 4x "Forward guard while charging" skills. Who charges skills? You're dead before you can finish the charge.
So yea, zerker's ONLY protected CC is half baked, Predatory Hunt
"Skill" as in using credit cards swiping? Because surely mechanical skills and knowledge aren't required in P2W games.
why the hell do you people always forget zerker? It's been top 3 most op class since awakenings came out in 2016
if you ever see someone talk about balance and not mention zerker as one of the most op classes ever made - ever - in any game - you can be sure he's a complete clown and has no clue what he's talking about
Dude, it's not about the skills that are usable. I just went through every class and took the skills that had a protection and a cc on it.
I did this equally to any classes. If i were to take out the usable ones for kuno for example, i'd be left with 2 instead of 4. It is same for all classes.
Hey I didn't design this game. Take that up with Pearl Abyss.
Their balancing for ranged classes like Ranger and DK is to gate their ranged power behind 261/270 AP gear respectively so not just anyone can't one shot people from a large distance I guess? These are not low gear friendly classes. But they are good with more gear . If said classes TTK was lower with lower gearscore these classes would be popular and people would probably complain on mass . Shrugs
Arsha buff doesn't stack with castle buff.
Classes which i allways see xD
but they are opppppp ;D
zerkers truly are terrifying when in proper hands. cant argue that.
Yes it is a p2w game in many aspects, but p2w/gear and skill are two different matters. You can have the best gear in the world, but you need brains to utilize it when against a strong opponent, regardless if gear difference makes it much easier. Skill is all from your class knowledge, your ability to handle different situations on the go, and your sensory reaction time. How is this so hard to understand? Fun fact: most people who only see the gear aspect and complain as this being the sole reason for them not taking the game seriously have a flawed logic, and one could speculate in how well these individuals really perform in pvp in terms of skill.
This whole thread is misdirection. The real imbalance comes with renown score and AP/DP thresholds, not class differences and play styles.
They arent threat until they grab you. You cant do anything.
Grab, chopchop, ancient wave into face. Good bye.