keep in mind alot of these people where around when they said they wouldn't have certain things, such as selling pearl items. pvp penalties was one of those problems so you are going to have people arguing that point for that reason. as of right now the karma system is not balanced for the fact that it has made griefing all the more acceptable. in order for the current system to work perfectly three things would have to happen. 1. balance all classes for pve 2. create more money and xp incentive in valencia 3. not have douches in the world who grief for the fun of it (both sides of the equation). <not really going to happen, games allow you to be whatever the hell you want to be within the restrictions of the design. I don't see fixes such as class balance or the money incentive coming anytime soon since these have been going on since launch for class balance, and the valenciah update for money incentives I agree with you that either side shouldn't just be putting blanket statements, however I do not fault either for doing so, sometimes people rant just to add depth to a discussion and maybe thats all they can do because they don't have ideas for how to fix it.