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Pay to Win Visualization

Discussion in 'General Gameplay' started by Lithi, Oct 10, 2018.

  1. Niowena

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  2. 2Cents

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    You are the example I was referring to about anyone getting to voice their opinion. It's a defect in social media, forums, and public mediums.

    For everyone else, not you:

    This issue is destroyed by a mental test within seconds. Give a player unlimited Pearls and have them compete against anyone in the game. They will automatically defeat 99.999% of the player in their full PEN at this point in the game.
     
  3. MGTOWinBDO

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    When you need a whole chart: to understand the game is still a CASINO without COMPS.
     
  4. MGTOWinBDO

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    When you need a whole chart: to understand the game is still a CASINO without COMPS.
     
  5. Dworkin Barimen

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    Yet here you are doing the exact same thing.:|XO:)
     
  6. Jeanina

    Jeanina Sharivar Lahn 61 EU

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    Not really, just the pearls wont get the player anywhere, if we talk about a new starting player with nothing but his basic underwear he still has a pretty long way to go until he beats anyone.
    1. Get some Basic Gear and grind your Butt up to lvl 61+
    2.Turn Costumes into Silver by selling lots of them, but oh well its limited so expect a couple weeks passing to be set for Boss Gear sniping/enchanting and another decade to generate enough silver for TRI+ Jewelery sniping/enchanting
    2a. TRY to either snipe +0 Boss Gear wich will take some time, snipe PRI/DUO/TRI/TET Boss Gear wich is nearly impossible or snipe PEN Boss Gear...oh yea only in your Dreams.
    2b. TRY to enchant it yourself all the way up to PEN, no need to say more just GOOD LUCK with that...
    2. Burn Costumes for Cronstones or buy them with Silver
    3. Get shitloads of Armor and Weapon Stones...
    4. Grind tons of Memory Scrolls or well try to snipe Fragments...xD
    and so on...
    as you can see even with unlimited Pears it will take a long time until he gets anywhere close to be able to beat 99.999% of the playerbase...

    Real P2W Cash Shop Example:
    1. Download and install the Game...that will be done pretty fast!
    2. Create an Account, done in seconds!
    3. Create a Character, smash the random button...done in seconds! Oh damn i need a name, that will take some time...screw it....dfsgfsgsgf done!
    4. Enter the Game and open the Cash Shop...that was easy!
    5. Swipe your Creditcard...even easier!
    6. Buy Max Level Token...BOOM here i am in 3 seconds!
    7. Buy the most powerful Gear obtainable, sorry guys its for rl cash only!
    8. Put your fresh Cash Shop Gear on and VROOOOOM even the GameMasters look scared! >:D

    Total Time needed to be able to Faceroll the entire Game Content and its Playerbase: maybe an Hour? If my Internet was just faster..*frowns* but hey thats how you Pay to Win! xD
     
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  7. Mikroman

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    Jeanina:
    Create character!
    Open Cash shop
    Buy 5 full costumes and sell them
    Buy full tri gear (or lvl 15 weapon and offhand to lvl up and store your silver in early leveling phase! Than use your RM converted 500 000 000 - 1 000 000 000 silvers higher level!)

    = You ignored first 100-200 hours in 10-30 minutes with 10 minutes gameplay (you have to reach marketplace) =p2w
     
  8. Escapism

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    Unlimited pearls means unlimited free almost-instant cronstones, which you can vendor for 100k each if you're that desperate on getting there a few hours or days faster and skip the waiting time for sales.

    Unlimited silver + cronstones means you can preorder any base/low boss gear at ridiculous prices to guaranteed get each piece within a couple hours or days, and you dont even need that much memes and stones to enhance them all to pen if you can always using crons.


    lvl ~58+ with the right class and full pen gear is all one needs, give it 2-3 weeks and that new player with unlimited pearls WILL beat 99.99% of the other players 1v1.
     
  9. Jeanina

    Jeanina Sharivar Lahn 61 EU

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    okay after 2 weeks i have bought full boss gear for 1 billion....lemme guess that will be around max PRI/DUO? maybe a single TRI on top? wow ya that makes me able to win over 99.999% of bdo's playerbase, you are a true genius *applauds*
    that just made me rethink about how p2w really works...2 weeks playing and paying lots of rl cash for seriously.....NOTHING!
    compare my 2 examples again and if you still didnt get it...sorry just hopeless. =)
     
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  10. Jeanina

    Jeanina Sharivar Lahn 61 EU

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    correct if we just had unlimited pearls but well thats just in our dreams thats why i swiped the creditcard in my 2nd example wich is kinda more real than this. so if we take the creditcard on example #1 aswell youre kinda stuck since you cant just endless burn costumes with it. the time factor to get up to what it needs to be able to beat 99% of bdo's playerbase is so freakin high compared to real p2w stores where you just instant click your char from ZERO to the MAX, and im talking about a MAX you cant even reach as not paying player cause such items are not obtainable by just playing.
    I win if i create a char and instantly buy my butt up to the roof and dont need to wait for anything, just login in, click a few buttons and then run around facerolling anything on sight. if you can do that in bdo then we speak the same language otherwise please try again. =)
     
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  11. Mikroman

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    What do you expect? Kill others with 10k hours gameplay? Don't be hypocrite! You can buy 200 hours in some minutes in the beginning without gameplay. You can buy 200 hours/months of active farming later. +You have to spend 1/3 silvers in repaire. +You can buy "extra slots" (inventory, storage, workers) and services (viable marketplace, unlimited maids, storage usage in processing, diving, doubled gahering and many other cash shop only extras). This advantages are cash shop only items/services. "normal" users will never catch p2w users because this slots and functions-services are out of in game farmed system.

    and the core question is: Why should I invest 100-1000 hours to the game where others (with more money) can be stronger than I?
     
  12. Jeanina

    Jeanina Sharivar Lahn 61 EU

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    but the point is you cant talk about pay to win if its just pay to be slightly faster and even with spending thousands of $ or € you cant say for sure that you will be faster..even with 10k rl cash bought cronstones you have NO guarantee of being full PEN with rigged rng in the background and we dont have the amount of PEN items going around to fill the market place with them so we could say i could buy them with a 100% chance.
    in real p2w games you just buy HEX Gear wich is better than PEN and not obtainable by playing for a fixed amount of real cash and youre good to go to seriously faceroll them all...in the BDO Shop you can spend 5k/10k/50k $ or € and end up being still full tri cause every freaking enchantment try fails so it could be called pay to lose cause you gained just nothing....

    i say it again:
    the word p2w got born when people were able to buy the best gear obtainable overall instantly for real life cash, you bought yourself just beyond the best gear obtainable by playing within seconds and avoided ALL the time every other player had to go through and non of them will ever beat you until they go shopping aswell. Now you paid to win! Congratulation!
     
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  13. Mikroman

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    Your "example" is not viable. You use this dumb and dead example to find excuses in BDO. You can't find enough dumb targets to drop to this" traditional p2w" games. "pure" p2w is not viable. If you want to kill many insects you will use poisons and other toxic materials. Victims can't realize problem until they eat the poison. They will eat it, but they will die after hours or days. Others can't detect danger and they will do the same. Publishers/companies use this biological warfare in games too to let you eat p2w trash. This is viable vs resistent targets too (like western customers). :)
    You can buy power (resources) and time (200 hours in begining, than 200 hours/months) that is p2w. You have to spend 4-8 hours/day to be in "zero" vs this players. And this is only direct p2w. RM-in game currency conversion. There are many other poisons. Less visible advantages. 4,8 vs 1,6 million silvers to repaire, many "small advantages"...
     
  14. Mikroman

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    Jeanina: short version
    Buy better than best in game weapon/armor vs RM: its in your twisted dream only. It's fail in 99%. Nobody use it nowadays.
    "Just time": this is the p2w in new games. If you think that ignore "instant" 200 hours or 4-8-10-20 hours/day is not p2w you are delusional or just troll.
     
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    "slightly faster" cmon man, that's disillusional.
    You should think probability and not random outcome from one particular case, you're just hiding behind RNG right now.
     
  16. 2Cents

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    Your argument is simply pathetic and not worth discussing further.
     
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    Fun fact: Life is P2W

    Video games should not be
     
  18. Jeanina

    Jeanina Sharivar Lahn 61 EU

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    last thing ill reply since it seems you guys are all so p2w obsessed....who's pathetic here? me trying to explain where p2w came from or you guys crying about any single **** on the cash shop that could or could not get someone forward a bit faster?
    no matter how much you try to turn this around we all have to deal with rng and rng doesnt care about how much money you have spent on the cash shop...you dont like lil time advantages then do it like me and ****ing IGNORE them, dont buy them and let other players do what they want with their hard earned money! you can cry your entire life about it and and stomp around like a 6 years old...at the end of the day while youre gone stuff like this is still around and the company gives a royal crap about who you are, they wont change anything just cause you cry about it.
    c'mon lets be honest, im sure that most of the people who cry about p2w log back into the game to buy artisans for their enchanting and all the other stuff they whine about like Tents, VP's, Pets, tons of Maids, Storages, Inventory Slots, Weight upgrades and what not! maybe you are just jealous some players can throw thousands of euros at a game and you can't. i could but i dont cause i dont need nor want to be faster...why? for what? right nothing but an early gameover!
    seriously this comunity is worse than a kindergarden...

    p.s.: @2Cents read your own thousands of threads you created since you joined and then call me pathetic again...i'm sure you have absolutely no clue about any mmorpg cause you never played them since you waste all your time crying on the forums. if you took that time to actually play the game you could be on full PEN 10 times already...jesus christ!
     
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  19. The Drizzle

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    There are people who actually leave 2 cents unblocked? Tsk tsk
     
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    Tbh, on this page 7 Jeanina is nearly the only poster for me now ... looks a little funy ^^
     
  21. 2Cents

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    The Pay2Win issue has plagued the industry and BDO specifically for over 2 years. It's a settled issue when it comes to BDO.

    You also throw around wild accusations that are completely inaccurate and entirely ruin any credibility you may have. Imagine if I started making ridiculous accusations against you like an 8 year old that had no validity at all.

    I don't care to hear you dribble on about things like "little advantage" when everyone knows that can be months or even years worth of progression.

    The person who doesn't get it is you, and @Smileybones naturally.
     

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