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Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by GrayGreymane, Apr 8, 2018.

  1. piratebeowolf

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    Ignore World or Server unless buying selling or looking for something/someone
    if you look you are as guilty as the kids spamming, if you put your hand on a hot stove it will be hot
     
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  2. Kaxlene

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    This is a game where a guild called TRUMP flourished in Uno, and basically said the N word every few seconds for about a year (dont remember how long trump guild lasted) and pretty much nothing happened, BladeBoques exploited twice and only got temp bans. Hell I even think someone in Pureluck is still Doxing

    You aren't going to get your wish, just ignore it and enjoy what you can
    If not.... heeeyyyy Bless is coming... eventually
     
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  3. Not_Alice

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    Internet Lesson Number 1: Don't take everything personally.

    Then things might even appear entertaining and sometimes quite hilarious.
     
  4. DrJeckel

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    wow, your english is as broken as your thought process around this matter. Chat on this game is mostly a bunch of keyboard cowboys trying to get the attention they are lacking by acting out...maybe, you're one of those people? Just because a game is rated mature doesn't negate the TOS. Chat should be moderated and TOS should be enforced...bottom line. I turned off Channel/World chat long ago because there was nothing but useless trash talking/trolling on there. The forums are not far behind.
     
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  5. GrayGreymane

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    So, let's try to wrap this up.

    TL;DR: the comments shown here are in no way funny or jokes, I try to explain why down below but "staying informed" on this issues should be each one's own job. I'll upload the screenshots again since I forgot to hide the names of the players.

    As some people have already clarified to you guys, the rating of the game is there for the content that the game itself shows, and does NOT excuse what the players themselves do.

    The first problem comes when, specially the server chat, is so filled with spam that is tedious to "fish" the messages that might be of interest. That is something that is hard to solve with the chat filter.

    The second and most important one is the content of those messages (and, to my surprise, the way you see them). The messages I've shown in the screenshots are but a small part of what can be found, and honestly I find it sick that you find them funny or think are jokes. I'll try as best as I can to explain why:

    Taking as an example the word "Trap".

    Trap is a transphobic term, and to be honest it's not that hard to see why: you are calling someone who's appearance is femenine, but has male genitals, a trap.
    So in the case of trans women, who might not have gone through vaginoplasty yet (or hell, they might not want to) and have a penis, that's calling them traps.

    Honestly there is not much more to it, if you can't see or understand why calling someone that, be it a fictional character or a real person, is not ok, then simply listen to the people telling you that it isn't, and are asking for that term to not be used or given visibility, which is what happens when everyone is "joking" about it on server chat.

    But I find way more disturbing that you consider stuff like the fourth screenshot something funny. Either you are trolling or sick in the head if you thing abusing little girls is funny in any way. I get the "joke" relies in saying something so brutal that you wouldn't do IRL and that you actually don't mean it, but still: please grow up.

    This is a public place, and the same way you woulnd't say such things to a stranger, you shouldn't say them here where everyone reads them. I get the internet gives anonimity and this kind of things are sadly usual, but as I said, not in a pay to play MMO, such as Black Desert Online.

    That's not it. Words have power when people use them. I think I dont have to repeat myself as to why they should not be used. Clearly you would be happier ignoring that stuff, but that is a short term solution which does not solve the problem (just like filtering the chat).

    There is a difference between an opinion and an offensive comment. Saying "I hate chocolate" is an opinion, and if someone comes saying they find that offensive, they should not be taken seriously. Why? Because no one has ever been beaten, humiliated, shamed, ostracized or treated unfairly by simply disliking chocolate in the same way as a woman would be from the simple fact of being a woman, a gay man for being homosexual, etc. There is not a "culture" (to put it in some way) of oppression towards those who hate chocolate, so "choco-phobia" does not exist, and thus no one should be offended by that. You might feel shocked that someone doesn't like chocolate, if you do really love it, but that's it. This is a very interesting matter which is hard to explain, but I hope I got it right.

    It's not dictatorship, but following the ToS that everyone agrees upon purchasing and playing the game. As I said before, this kind of stuff is almost never seen in other MMO's.

    That's something I might imagine, but in the end don't know. That's why I opened this thread on the "suggestions" category. If the devs can't do it, then that's it.
    But at least it's here to be taken into consideration, and for the issue to be reported.

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  6. LogicaI

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    Trap

    I'm not going to start acknowledging these sjw definitions i will stick with their ACTUAL definition.

    trap1
    trap/
    noun
    1. 1.
      a device or enclosure designed to catch and retain animals, typically by allowing entry but not exit or by catching hold of a part of the body.
    2. 2.
      a situation in which people lie in wait to make a surprise attack.
    verb
    1. 1.
      catch (an animal) in a trap.
      synonyms: confine, cut off, corner, shut in, pen in, hem in; More
    And i will use said word however i please. It is part of the english dictionary.

    Actually that is just it.

    If words from random strangers over the internet upset you then you have a larger underlying problem.

    You don't get to decide what a word is.


    I don't care if you are hurt by imaginary context you created over random users who's opinion should matter to you.

    Being offended by something does not make it right or wrong to say. You are actually skirting freedom with your own opinion.

    This is what radical social terrorists do. Instead of letting someone talk they use their outrage to shut their speech down and say it is because of 'freedom of speech" .


    Yup and that's fine, Report them , Why make a post breaching the very tos you are worried about with naming and shaming?

    I saw deemmz original images

    I have the right to laugh at anything i choose,just like you have the right to be offended.
    Welcome to reality. Just because i can find humor in more things in life than you is not a negative for me. Sad for you. You don't get to decide what is funny to others,You also don't get to decide that those with an opposite opinion of you must be "trolls" or "sick" more social radical talk.

    According to my biology book there is no such thing sorry. I will not suspend reality for anyone.

    When you are a child you run around in a little superman cape,awee so cute. You grow up you put the cape away.

    The bible has a good quote for that. (Not religious myself)

    When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things
     
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  7. GrayGreymane

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    You completely missed the point there, and besides that word is not the only issue here, but if you want to focus on it, let's do it.

    Clearly the word "trap" has more than one definition, I'm not asking to stop using the word as a whole, but to stop using it to refer to the kind of people I described before.

    So:

    If you do, you won't call someone a "trap", then we're good.

    I think I made myself clear, or at least I tried to. It's so easy to not give some thought or pay attention to these issues and show a little empathy when you're not part of oppressed groups. Nothing to do with being a sjw.

    Then again, we're missing the point of this thread, there is spam and loads of crap comments on the chats, no matter if you consider them offensive or not, and the chats are not in the game for that. Chat Filter is a paliative, not a solution.
     
  8. LogicaI

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    You are not an oppressed group because you claim you are one. You do not deserve my empathy anymore than you deserve my respect,respect is earned.

    And yes chat filter is a solution,that is the reason it exists.

    I can use the word trap any way i want to fyi.
     
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  9. Mana_Mafia

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    Sticks and stones may break your bones but words will never....

    I'll let you finish. C'mon...you can do it.
     
  10. Mana_Mafia

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    "Hate speech" is a fictitious marxist construct adopted by the SJWs to enforce censorship laws and destroy freedom of speech.

    Use the chat filter, turn chat off completely, or call out the people that you feel are using "problematic and offensive" language. Do not ask for people you disagree with to be silenced and/or banned.

    This is called thought policing. Why do you think that your way of thinking is the correct / superior one and that the way others behave is immoral or inferior? That's very pretentious of you.
     
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  11. LogicaI

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    Furthermore people do not get to hijack our language to suit their agenda. the "people" you speak of are not even 1% of america. You do not make rules or laws based on anecdotal outliers. You may make psychiatry foundations crumble from social justice. But you will not change reality.

    And social justice is terrorism plain and simple.

    Most of the first world countries now live in civil societies. This is not germany 60 years ago.

    That was a socialist state. No socialism for me thank you.

    Even germany now knows better.

    Hello all my sisters/brethren across the world. To any german bdo players out there i will be glad to say: I don't blame you for your past based on your geographical location. The world has moved on. Groups that have been persecuted etc in the past were done so by people back then,Sons/Daughters and ancestors are not at fault for the sins of their mothers/fathers.
     
  12. LogicaI

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    Source that TRUMP guild ever used the N word?,I never saw it and i was on uno quite a bit,The real Trump doesn't say it either. God why does this feel like a message from a CNN correspondent.


    ,,,And to the rest that find the chat distasteful in server or channel,You have the right to report people,use it.

    The GM team does not need to sit here and police the chat,They have more important things to do,Like answering tickets and the rest of their job,Their time is important to them just like every other humans time at their job.

    And one of those tickets,can be your suggestions/complaints,But sitting there policing chat takes too many man hours,Man hours they need to keep continuing to do their job. They are definitely under a large stressload of tickets so they have enough to do as it is.

    None of us need to be here telling them how to do their jobs. That is the job of their employee rules of duty and what corporate tells them to do.

    In every single competitive game on the market so far that i have seen chat is similar,Bdo is not unique in this aspect.

    People like to have fun,people like to joke,People like to get salty,people like to troll.

    Any of those things are subject to the TOS as all player communication is. If you have a problem with them you simply file a ticket then block them.

    But if you end up in a game where you no longer have anyone to chat with because you blocked them all you will learn how lonely channel chat will become.

    Regardless it costs energy to use channel chat,which is in effect silver and silver is in effect power,so if you are talking in it you are creating regression for yourself.

    You can also turn off world and channel chat,There is absolutely nothing in either that is important,any information on timers for bosses,events or anything to do with the game that is of substance can be found on the bdo discords.

    Channel and world chat is the last place to find reliable game advice or or knowledge.
     
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  13. Wandering Mania

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    Actually your way off. Here's why;
    1; There are options to 'Moderate your own chat' via the Chat Filter, or turning off server chat so you don't see it.
    1a; You refuse to use said options.​

    2; You say you find something offensive, but instead of moving on from it, or using the options listed (see number 1). You demand the people that offended you be silenced.
    2a; You have the right to your opinion. As does ever other human to their opinion. Breaking the TOS/EULA is one thing, and if that happens report them. But being offended then creating a 'name shaming' forum post is the same level of offense that you say you are offended by.
    3; To demand that others be silenced and the chats monitored after your refusal to use the options provided, is hypocritical.
    3a; You talk about there being "a difference between an opinion and an offensive comment", but in truth they are the same thing. Just because you find someone's opinion/comment offensive, dose not give you, or any one the right to deny them that.
    To sum it all up; You have no idea what you are talking about, except that you are offended, and demand that those who offended you be silenced.
    Result; You are no better than a petty Dictator who says "Silence the dissenters!" .
     
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  14. LogicaI

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    Such is this age unfortunately. Everywhere you look now a days you see outrage being used as a form of debate. Sad state of affairs for society.
     
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    Its a bit of a bummer that a thread about something as simple as a basic functionality of a video game being inaccessible and/or useless to a part of the player population got hijacked by a bunch of literal trump supporters pushing a political agenda on people. You guys really don't have anywhere else to circle jerk about how edgy you are? What do we call this, trumpjacking?
     
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  16. Wandering Mania

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    Your the only one I have seen so far even talking about "a political agenda", and this thread is not about simple basic functionality. It's about a person that wants to ignore options provided, just to shame and get banned, some people he/she found offensive in a chat area that is known to be such.
     
  17. GrayGreymane

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    No it's not, I've said multiple times that Chat Filter does not seem to me a valid solution, but merely a band-aid to the issue. My solution is to monitor the chat just like other games and MMOs do. I've also said why I dont like Chat Filter, I won't repeat myself thrice.

    Check out the paradox of tolerance.

    Do you honestly guys even read what I say? I said I posted the pictures in a rush and forgot to hide the names. Since I uploaded them in thumbnails and did not check them out again when reading the thread I did not see my mistake. My intention was not that which you speak off at all. Then again, think what you will.

    Well to be fair I fell into their game and tried to explain why the comments are distasteful and offensive, since I thought that was quite the issue here. But it only served to deviate from the point.
     
  18. Wandering Mania

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    And how is that not refusing to use the options provided? "I don't like it" is not a valid reason, only an excuse.
    Other MMOs have in game GMs, BDO does not. BDO is not these "other MMOs" you speak of, BDO is BDO. If one game does something one way and it works for them, that is fine and dandy. But not all games can, or have to do things the same way. So get off your high horse, and just use the options provided like the rest of us.
     
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    Nah real life politicians & their views as well as "political correctness" and "social justice" have been brought into the discussion. Re-read the thread if you didn't quite manage to notice it. Political agenda is absolutely being pushed on a video game forum where it doesn't belong.
    So the chat is known to be generally offensive and that, according to you, is a good thing? Google defines offensive as "causing someone to feel resentful, upset, or annoyed" + "actively aggressive". Please explain how attacking and upsetting people is Actually A Good Thing?

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    Also lmao @ posts pointing out that OP wrongfully posted names because it's against the rules to do so. Guess what else is also against the rules, but happens frequently anyway because of the lack of moderation
     
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  20. LogicaI

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    Ahh yes someone has a crystal ball and knows who supports the current president. It just gets funnier.

    As if political party affiliation has anything to do with being positive or negative about the chat..
     

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