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Please reach out to Pegi so this game get's the right Labels it deserves and put's Devs on Blast

Discussion in 'General Gameplay' started by Pavo, May 29, 2020.

  1. yukishiro1

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    The way BDO is set up to exploit people with bad impulse control and other mental illnesses is definitely the least attractive part of the game. If feels borderline scummy just to be a participant in such a game, even if one goes out of ones way to play for free and avoid financially supporting the exploitative model.

    How the devs and people who labor on these forums to defend that exploitation look in the mirror I do not know.

    The tobacco companies said the same thing, while selling millions of people stuff that they knew was killing them.

    "It's legal, therefore it is moral, and if there's any problem it's the government's job to do something about it" has always been the favored excuse of bad actors, and it's always been transparently unconvincing as a logical argument.

    BDO literally sells boxes for real-life money that, when you open them, turn into a slot machine that spins around and around before finally coming to rest on the item you received from your "spin."

    The idea that this is not "encouraging" or "teaching" you to gamble, and that it is not "consistent with the style found in actual casino games," is beyond absurd. The entire thing is literally modeled off slot machines you find in casinos. To the point that the interface is an explicit copy of a casino slot machine.
     
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  2. Allan1985

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    so what?? do you thik only americans regulate stuff? in here is called PEGI, but the idea behind it is exactly the same
     
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  3. yukishiro1

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    Keep reaching out folks, enough bad publicity and it's even possible PA might start toning down the casino elements slightly.
     
  4. Fearless V

    Fearless V Lahn 61 NA

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    Trust me you can't get BDO to get any more bad publicity than it already has. Most gamers that I play with in other games I play. Have already labeled all games that come out of Korean as P2W.

    You want to know the comments I get when I tell friends in other games that I play BDO. "I'm sorry for your wallet" "You are a good Korean farm animal aren't you" "Did you pay to win enough to be good in that game" "Ha, you are a fool for playing P2W games from Korea" and other comments. I'm telling you, BDO just can't get lower than it already is in the eyes of most gamers outside of BDO and other Korean MMOs.

    So in other words you are just wasting your time. PA is just going to continue adding more and more casino mechanics to keep revenue up as more and more players quit.
     
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  5. zeezero

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    Totally not a waste of time. Maybe to the deaf ears of a lot of the forum lurkers. But in general definitely worthwhile.
    This isn't just a BDO or Korean problem only. They obviously are the pinnacles of scumbaggery when it comes to predatory practices. But NA devs are very complicit as well. EA has this same bad reputation.
    If there is not regulation they will not change.

    Your friends are not a good sample size of the population.
     
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  6. Fearless V

    Fearless V Lahn 61 NA

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    True my friends are not a good sample size. However I imagine the only people who are not aware of these things. Are people who do not follow gaming trends, fourms, or news. So pretty much all you are doing is preaching to the choir.
     
  7. zeezero

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    You need to expand your imagination. There are way, way more people who are not aware of these things. Pretty much most parents are not aware. And it's their credit cards attached to the games.
     
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  8. Kynreaa

    Kynreaa DarkKnight 62

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    Actually, imagination has little to do with this..Its just reality. For instance take a look at the total views on this topic..now compare that to any youtube video considered a moderate success.
    Are you influenced by anything you see in youtube? I know Im not, they just usually confirm my bias. So what chance does anything anyone type here stand against the hoard of sheeple tossing money everywhich way? Its not going to change, untill someone else just makes a game with an honest monetary system that just provides customers a full honest service for payment, and actually provides content player want to purchase, not under threat of gimpage. And It Literally siphons profits from the Executive giants like EA,PA, and Activision...Untill that happens. The best anyone can hope for is PA to put in a Currency exchange in the central market so that people can enjoy the game free of cost to the end user after its initial purchase price.
     
  9. Pavo

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    Imagine over the last 10 years, let's say. How many parents have had their identity stolen and worse, because their kids used their credit cards to buy gold or other RMT from hackers.

    Now, no kid in their right mind is going to admit to this to their parents and lose the credit card. So now we have millions of parents thinking inerwebz are evil and steal your info.

    What those parents don't know, is it's totally 100% on their kids.

    Imagine if this was actually taught to parents how RMT would suffer and how many less identities would be stolen.

    This is never ever brought up, but RMT has literally made an industry out of this.
     
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    Kynreaa DarkKnight 62

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    Its still happening today, except with Koreans and their grandparents, or parents Social security numbers. Kids are swiping them, selling them, getting them banned. Then poor ol mom,dad, or grandad one day go to play some game and find out their banned from every game in Korea cause their kid sold their ssn to someone in the states. Not only that, their Freaken SSN was sold to someone in the states.
     
  11. Eltruism

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    Locking up the wallet would not be the solution to this problem. It would be not allowing their children to play an addictive gambling game and not allowing them to reinforce the behavior.
     
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    Kynreaa DarkKnight 62

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    Wheres the label telling the parent to bar the child from this game?
    Like i typed..they made it broad and confusing on purpose so parents couldn't justify picking the bad game. They would literally have to play it to find out. With a Gambling label..Parents easily tell child no, child cant spend..PA loses money. PA cant have that, so they make label broad to include innocent games.
     
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  13. Eltruism

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    So if the game had the label, you would give it your credit card and let it spend?

    If it had the label, you would trust it and let them play?

    lmao
     
  14. Katsuragi

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    All it takes to call out Casino on this game is wondering why are horse raising mechanics locked behind pay. It's not even convenience. It's literally locked behind paying for chips and then pulling a lever on a machine that consumes them and praying for the desired outcome.
     
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  15. Eltruism

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    What are you on about? Horse raising? You mean leveling? Level is done by riding them, which is free. Items for the Dream horses can be grinded/farmed/acquired by past events...for free.

    And I don't think anyone actually prays for getting a desired horse.

    Not locked at all.

    Yeah, maybe the game should be labelled...but use the right reasons...please
     
  16. Kynreaa

    Kynreaa DarkKnight 62

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    What do you mean give them a card..Kids have jobs and their own money you know. I did when I was 14.
    My youngest earns his own money as well and hes 12. I play games so i know what to look for..Yoou dont know how many times iv run into parents that have no idea what dmg their kids a wreaking to their financial portfolio. If it had the label you wouldent have to invest time into a game to find out your progression is blocked behind IRL cash gambling mechanics.
     
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  17. Eltruism

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    You applied and got a credit card at the age of 14? Please tell me how this is ok with your parents or country?
     
  18. MoonDance17

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    You obviously do not do horse training.
     
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  19. MoonDance17

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    They are called debit cards not credit cards. You do not have to be eighteen to have a debit card. If you have your own bank account you can apply for the card. Not sure if those under a certain age have to have parental permission or not
     
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    Don't tell me your parents never opened a bank account for you at that age? For the sake of "saving" money (on the parents point-of-view) or in a teenage boy's PoV nefarious things like accessing Age 18 and above and use the content?
     

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