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Please reach out to Pegi so this game get's the right Labels it deserves and put's Devs on Blast

Discussion in 'General Gameplay' started by Pavo, May 29, 2020.

  1. Éternel

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    @Andaro
    When you are paid in one form or another to white knight for this game, how do you expect people to take your comments seriously? Show me one instance that proves otherwise, where you were even somewhat critical of Pearl Abyss or Kakao. Honestly, you should just remain silent instead of making smart ass remarks. Hint: it doesn't make PA or Kakao look any better.
     
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  2. Pavo

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    Are you honestly dumb or just want to troll so much you don't care how wrong it is or how little sense it makes.

    They are adding a tag and now you are saying multiple times they denied us.

    This is a community ambassador outright trolling and derailing a thread it doesn't like.
     
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  3. Deyric

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    Part of why he has no business being an ambassador.
     
  4. woots

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    Seems like they didnt really dig into that game to not see the ''simulation of games of chance", and if they just wait for something over obvious, seem like they are a bit pepega to think devs abusing rng like PA isnt going to somehow "hide" that.

    But well, somes player doesnt see the BDO p2w because its not over obvious and spread a bit all around.. so yeah....

    They should just add "kakao" infront of his "ambassador" title, and its going to be clear like that ( even if its clear enough since age he isnt a player ambassador )
     
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  5. Allan1985

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    dont you have work to do?? you spend the whole day crying that the library team is sooooooo busy but the only thing you do all day long is to rub yourself in PA unethical and predatory practices in the forum hoping to get a promotion. and then you still have the lack of dignity to not face the consequences and claim instead that community members participate on a "witch hunt" against you, DISGUSTING.
     
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  6. SkullMonkey

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    Got some PEGI links you can add to your post so we know where to go for this? convenience is key in this day in age after all.
     
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    Kynreaa DarkKnight 62

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    ROFL.Good job guys..looks like it worked.



    We tried to warn them. We tried to get them to regulate themselves...Now look.
    PA better check with their lawyers on how this impacts costume melting. Cause..well, its gambling with irl currency.
     
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  8. Ben Phoenix

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    Which is gambling btw... :P
     
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    Yulanda Sorceress 61

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    While this is absolutely an excellent move, outside of the paid for special event Pet Boxes and Adventure boxes, BDO doesn't technically have permanent purchaseable loot boxes so this regulation (as I currently understand it) would have very little impact on this game. Although we as players may feel it, it would be a reach to try and directly tie anything from the Pearl store as the basis to the main "game of chance" in BDO which is Enhancement. They are probably just separated enough to skirt around this.

    I am glad though that this is happening. There are other ways to monetize games without the skid mark of loot boxes.
     
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    Kynreaa DarkKnight 62

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    Only If we allow PA to continue skirting the rules with their other systems that involve gambling as well. For instance Costume melting, horse skill resets, Faerie queens might, and theos orb, and pet progression. All of these involve gambling with irl money aka paying for chance, Not just simulations.

    This:


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    Is far worse for the game then the few lootboxes PA tosses in to taunt us. And is far more predatory.

    What you think the costume sale is for?..PA uses the things like gambling tokens for progression, as well as shark cards for currency conversion.

    Half the price of crons in silver, get rid of the melting feature, place the above items in the game without irl money involved, or hand em out with a sub. Then PA can actually start working on real content to turn a profit. They have 3 subs and a full cosmetic shop. Start investing on making those worth while to turn a profit. Like the customers wanted from the beginning, and watch the profits soar. Or not..either way business as usual is not an option anymore.

    We are gonna snitch. they need to be informed that its Using IRL money to pay for chance on anything. Potential in demand cosmetics, potential progression, etc, thats the problem..not just "lootboxes". Cause all they are going to do is try to dissemble the whole thing, place a few steps inbetween and pretend like nothings changed.
     
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    I was absolutely baffled when I found out that you buy a box and you still can get a low pet tier, for example, while other people might get the maximum tier with the same amount of money... Big no, that is not how I will ever support a game company. Soory.
     
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    Yes, I agree. I just feel as it stands in what The House of Lords is talking about, PA/Kakao might be able to skirt any regulation because the item we actually pay for (the costume, the mount skill reset, the fairy skill reroll) is not itself an RNG item, even though it is used in an RNG activity.. If this kind of legislation gets up across several countries, you can be sure Devs and Publishers are going to challenge and push the boundaries around what defines a loot box. After all we've all heard about "Surprise Mechanics"...

    Hopefully any new laws will cover content that acts in the spirit of being a loot box even if not directly a loot box itself. It will be interesting to see how far they are willing to reach with it
     
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    Kynreaa DarkKnight 62

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    Fully agree. Which is another reason why I refuse to "just quit and go somewhere else" when dealing with PA. Doing that just gives the industry that extra buffer of ignorance they thrive off of. Heck we possibly have a generation now that doesent know any better then gambling mechanics in all their forms of entertainment, because of that attitude customers have adopted..Toss money at ingame problems, then move on when it doesent work.

    In the beginning they wont, im sure. But thats when lawsuits will arise to fill the gaps so to speak. Any competent CEO knows what they are doing when they asset manage their products into gambling regulation territory. And as a person that's getting into the industry myself, im taking all of this as a learning experience.

    Between the esports scene, marketing, and game development..there is enough money to go around without the taint of Gambling being involved.
    Let Vegas drive that part of the industry, they do it well.
     
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  14. MADE

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    PEGI (and similar rating companies) are founded and paid by game studios. Ofc PEGI lick their asses.
    But that's like this since ages ago. Not like an icon painted somewhere in the corner would change anything in the first place. Just wait for government action, though how well governments works, it will be done in a few decades... if they hurry : ))))
     
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    Recklss BadOne Archer 61 NA

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    Totally agree with the original poster this game is nothing but an online casino and should be labeled as such. Can’t fix this game as it’s already a lost cause but you should label it what it really is. Y’all should just let this game die. This game and this company does not deserve your money.
     
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    and that's strange they get along with that, as in that case casino players pay for a token, which neither is a rng item itself, but used in a rng activity.
    How come its different in BDO ? just because different name and different "presentation" suddently it change everything ?
    that's pretty crazy tho, even more when there is just no way around, BDO is a casino simulator.
     
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    There are several games that try to skirt to "paid loot box" in the most flimsy way possible. One that springs to mind, doesn't sell the loot boxes themselves, they sell the keys to open the loot boxes which drop in the world as part of trash loot drops. That is just blatant.

    I could see it being argued that Horse/Fairy skill re-rolling isn't a loot box per se, so any legislation will need to look at how all "games of chance" are monetised, because it's not just loot boxes that are the issue
     
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  18. Spartakatz

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    does anyone even know where the OP wants to have his labels put? I wouldn't even know where to look.
     
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    Well, your case is a difficult one ....
     
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  20. Spartakatz

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    https://www.blackdesertonline.com/shop/package

    if I wanted to buy the game, it shouts immediately to my face "CASH SHOP" because different packages can't exist without such a thing.

    the 5euro thing says "FULL GAME", what do you expect is the rest? lol
     

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