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PVP boss changes

Discussion in 'General Gameplay' started by Angarato, May 30, 2018.

  1. Hayate

    Hayate Warrior 63 EU

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    Anyone flagging on a boss with 356784 dmg skills flying all over the place is dead in less than 2 seconds...What are you on about? I ve been around since launch, have done hundreds of bosses and I m pretty sure I havent seen that happen more than 3-4 times..
     
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  2. Hayate

    Hayate Warrior 63 EU

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    I just find it incredibly stupid that there is a no pvp window on the WHOLE bloody map affecting people that dont even bother with bosses anymore, damn I cant even join arena or jump channel if the grind spot is congested....I understand that it is frustrating if you get attacked by war targets at a boss but there are options out there to avoid that already.....Either ask for protection, join a lifeskill guild or generally a guild that its members dont bodythrow on a grind spot trying to make the other guy go red.....
    Its really funny though that each time I think those devs have hit rock bottom they make their best to prove me wrong in the next patch...

    P.S Angarato you still around man? Thought you quit ages ago :P...
     
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  3. Astrati

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    Turning off pvp for the entire map is ridiculous but w/e , let the carebears have it.
    Why in name of logic i can't change channels or i am getting kicked out of battle arena ?
     
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  4. Escapism

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    A 15 minute break in between a fight during which you can taunt and trashtalk your opponent, and maybe also tell a bit about your secret backstory and how he betrayed you. Sounds like every Anime ever.
     
  5. Hayate

    Hayate Warrior 63 EU

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    Never thought that the devs had a secret agenda of turning us all to RPers, but now that you mention it, it makes sense....
     
  6. Angarato

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    yea i came back to this trash game cause all other mmos suck too. feelsbadman

    I see you're still here and still butthurt. lol
     
  7. Angarato

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    there are already mechanics in place to prevent this.

    A: don't join a pvp guild. pve guilds are protected from war
    b: ask for protection from your guild leader
    c: bring your main
    D: don't piss off stronger guilds
    e: git guud
     
  8. Pallas Athene

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    spend no cent in pearlshop till they change that carebaerbullshit!!!
     
  9. Rayin

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    No worries, since this game is built around cash shop and every feature along with it (swimming, horse training) or is highly crippled on purpose to squeeze the most out of it, when you'll finally obtain what you want in this PvX game it'll hemorrhage around the 30% of the playerbase and the percentage will only grow up, as the one left will be the ones who'll notice how this game is just an exoskeleton of textures filled with inconvenience.

    And when you'll try to explore gloriously Pila Ku Jail as you won't fear any PK'er anymore, you're gonna love all those groups of Musa/Wizard dashing/teleporting around with their tents & maids to obliterate mobs left and fort, mobs that you won't even see if not as gray corpses.
    It'll be so crowded by so many groups eager to grief each other that you'll be lucky to see even a sausan in the middle of 200 aoe, 200 people and 200 horses/carriages parked at the spot itself, as everyone will make sure that no mount will see a single mob left alive.
    The majority of those explorer will all welcome you with "lol noob you can't even kill a Fogan fast enough, go back to Mansha" as we all know that in pure PvE game there's no toxicity.

    Then tell me how good it'll be exploring when you'll sit in town doing some fake minigame that serves no other purpose than generate silvers, such as chopping wood.
    It'll be an awesome era with awesome challenging contents, except that they won't develope more contents because they can focus more on the PvE side, they'll just recycle the same old mobs, places new textures on a part of new terrain and they'll call it a day.
    Because this game obviously doesn't shine in PvP, but it shines in PvE.
    Accordingly to some people in this forum PvP is garbage, but so is PvE for them. They play dedicated games for PvP and others for PvE. So why is BDO still played so much?
    Oh, wait...
     
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  10. Alicia Dominica

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    Too bad that this is not a PvP game then, but rather a KR PvE grinder with light PvP elements. Also, you seem to have little to no experience in competitive PvP considering that you think this games OWPvP is anything more than ganking.
     
  11. Qasim

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    You calling it "light" is just obfuscation, PVP was always an intrinsic part of the game.

    What else are you going to do with that gear you sacrificed your cat on the altar of rngesus for? Grind more? Lifeskill some?
     
  12. Kurylenko

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    Guild Declarations are now even more pointless. Before, you could PvP at bosses and that was a lot of fun.
     
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  13. Redarion

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    Still a PVP game?
     
  14. Alicia Dominica

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    Why only look at the end-goal and not at the journey which will take up most of your time? From a competitive point of view, a game where all your progression comes from playing PvE is no PvP game. A game where your PvE stats primarily count for PvP is no PvP game. A game where you casino-upgrade that gear is no PvP game. A game where you get zero progression from actually playing PvP and don't have to succeed in that game mode on any level is no PvP game.

    Now, I understand that we might disagree on what's competitive PvP, so let's take a look at where the game has been gong to since launch: No XP loss upon PK, heavy/increased karma penalties for PK, no PvP whatsoever when world bosses spawn (reason for this thread). Along with that, no real PvP content updates, no progression or reward tracks for PvP. All that the game really has at this point that somewhat qualifies as endgame-PvP/progression is node wars / sieges and well I think we all know what small % of the population actually participates in that and how healthy sitting on castles and payout-carry is for this game.

    PvP game? Nope, really not. I think you can pick any of the what's considered a "carebear MMO" (even though it's not) on this forum like WoW, FF14, GW2 and what not and you will find more, better and actually rewarding PvP in all of them.
     
  15. Qasim

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    Well that's kinda disingenuous. On one hand, you say PVP isn't rewarding enough therefore BDO is a PVE game, but on the other hand that payout is cancer, or unhealthy because it rewards too much?

    PVP is an extension from PVE grind, and don't tell me BDO endgame is PVE lol.
    Karma changes and the fury that caused alone says how important PVP has been through-out this game's history.
    PVP content update? Battle Arena, more nodes, Arsha tournaments, more regions, but because PVP is player centric, WE are the ones making new content through it. New alliances, guilds, beefs, etc.

    Saying you are not being catered to, for the portion of the game where your decisions count the most? What about bandits who camped outside of Heidel, do we have to wait for Devs to script that, or do we get some like minded people to go and set it up or break it down?

    PVP was YOUR domain, OUR domain. Like people have mentioned re this change, the element of player choices are further limited, opportunities diminished
     
  16. Alicia Dominica

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    The payout only becomes a problem when there is no actual PvP over the areas because it's gated behind a huge PvE/casino-wall. The problem is caused by too high entry barriers to PvP, which again is not something that should be happen in a PvP game.

    In turn, if you are calling PvP an extension to the PvE grind, would that not make the game exactly what I said it was: PvE grinder with light PvP elements? Tongue in cheek of course, but that's what I've been getting at: There is no direct PvP progression and I think karma changes and xp loss are the kind of things that get implemented because a developer understands the importance of protecting the huge amount of players that want no part in open-world griefing. That's basically what it would be when you go out there roleplaying bandits. This isn't content-creation, it's plain and simple griefing and neither will your victims appreciate it, nor will you get any kind of game-rewards/progression from it.

    This game has suffered a lot from unjustified claims by clueless KR server tourists hyping it as something that it never was and likely never will be. I don't believe that PvE is "endgame" in the traditional sense of what other MMOs offer (dungeons, raids, etc.), but neither do I think that the answer is "if it's not PvE, then it's PvP". Cause again, the game doesn't offer the kind of endgame PvP (with all its progression, rewards and prestige) that can be found in other MMOs and yet people don't go around calling those "PvP games". What is BDO endgame then in my opinion? I don't think it really has one, you have near-infinite progression in PvE and it's up to each of us to decide how far we want to push that till we end up afk-ing the game.
     
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    I think you're deluding yourself, or at the very least avoiding the reality, because of your first statement.

    Instead of trying to squeeze BDO into a FFXIV size hole, appreciate that yes, PVE gears you up for PVP, because as you just acknowledged, there is no PVE endgame in BDO. At the same time, you claim there is no reward for PVP again, but AGAIN began by decrying payouts.

    There is no option of 'no-endgame' either, you just made that up.
     
  18. Rayin

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    That's just the propaganda that you repeat it to exonerate yourself from PvP'ing in this game and to justify whoever share your same POV against it, this and "Ganking lowbies", when it doesn't work then you insult the part of community having fun it and the RL status of other users like you, but that's a mantra that lately you've been repeating a lot.

    So, i didn't play BDO in KR and i didn't have any friend that was playing it back then, in fact i started to play this game with a RL friend and a two "internet" acquaintances from my previous game and we've read from numerous sites and even the main site back then that this was a OwPvP game with fast paced action and an immersive world.
    Now i didn't have my competitive PvP, but i do have my fair share of PvP. They lied even about this world being immersive as is a huge wasteland filled with the same reskinned brainless mobs, but that's subjective, same goes for the PvP or competitive part.

    Long story short, why are you repeating your opinion as if is a fact that goes beyond any reasonable doubt? are you the CEO of PA? did Kakao lie? perhaps, although it's not player's fault if the game it is what it is, don't you agree? if you're calling Kakao the "bunch of eager KR tourists" then don't mind my post, but if you're calling other players like that, why do you keep spreading your personal opinion on the matter shaping it as if is a fact?
     
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  19. Alicia Dominica

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    And as I have been saying from the very start, a game that requires extensive gearing up in PvE in order to "PvP" is not really a PvP game. Since we've reached the point where it boils down to delusions and what not, let's just leave it at that. I don't think you have much PvP experience in MMOs outside of this game and with that you have made a decent enough pick.
     
  20. Rayin

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    Can you give us a better insight about what kind of competitive MMO's there are around? your IGN in those games with your achievement in those would help for example, some footages and uncut gameplay to look at it from the right perspective would do even better.
    I'm asking because from the way you speak, you're a competitive top player in those, so it'd definitely help to understand your hate towards a specific feature of this game and its share of dedicated players.
     
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