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Discussion in 'General Gameplay' started by Allan1985, Jul 14, 2019.

  1. Andaro

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    One of my guild fam thats been with us since 2008 is higher than me in all numbers including gearscore, -_- and hes spent maybe 40 bucks at the most for some pets...

    Im actually a bit ashamed of myself for being behind, although I do have a snazy residence >.>
     
  2. AlnilamE

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    I would not be opposed to the VP losing it's tax discount and everyone pay the 35% equally, if that's what you are suggesting.
     
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    quite the opposite, more like remove all taxes from MP and assign a specific paycheck for the PvP territory winners instead of it being MP tax dependent
     
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  4. XLucaX

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    [​IMG]

    *laughs at the fact that your literal 2nd comment is not related to the game, rather its a life scenario.*

    This is what your door scenario looks like in relation to the game. Talking about locked content LOL.
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    BDO, aside from purchasing the game does not have any exclusive cash shop item that you NEED. Thats a fact. You do not need pets (can be bought via MP), weight limit (avail through loyalty), costumes (MP), value pack (MP), storage limits (can be acquired through CP renting). At no point in the game will you hit a literal wall saying "you cannot access this zone, you need to buy the DLC".
     
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  5. Icywave

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    Right, but SOMEBODY needs to buy them for you to be able to purchase them off the market. You need value pack if you want to make money off the market, again, SOMEBODY needs to buy one and sell it for you to be able to get one on the MP.

    You aren't gated yourself by purchasing content, but you are gated by OTHER people purchasing content and re-selling it for you.

    It's the same thing, essentially , because without those people doing you a favor (because they could just buy and sell outfits) for you to buy it with silver, you would be hard-gated behind people pay in context to VP's.

    You can ask this yourself, if they made everything from the pearl shop only accessible from the pearl shop and not purchase-able through the marketplace. Would it then be P2W? If you're willing to answer this with a yes, then you would be acknowledging the point of the person you're debating with. Because for most , if not all people, the answer would be yes because time is a limited resource and I hardly doubt you like losing return for that time by not having a VP to collect a tax on.

    So, do you need it? Technically Nope because people play the game differently so you can farm up 100cp and just do farms all day if that's your preferred way of playing.

    If you are even remotely after an efficient return for time investment? You need it, without a question. Most follow this route while the minority do things on their own time. This is on both fronts, grinding or life skills.

    The answer of necessity will depend on if you're casually playing or in a very small minority of the game or going for efficient return for your time like a major.

    Edited for additional clarity.
     
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  6. MalGuldur

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    Its p2w for sure but it can also be time invested to win.
     
  7. Aillya

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    More like luck2win, really.
    If you TET everything on your first try, you're gonna save a lot of silver and you'll never feel the incentive to purchase ($) things that might alleviate the enhancing process. If you luck your way into purchasing pets on the market (which necessitates that many many others fail to get that very same pet) then you won't have to buy them in the cash shop. If you're consistently lucky with drops and saving money because you're lucky with enhancing, then you won't burn out on grinding like most people and be tempted to lifeskill, which will lead to tempting lifeskill costume purchases. If you're lucky enough to play during a lucrative anniversary event (for example), then you'll basically be handed billions of free silver for just logging in an hour a day. If you were lucky enough to play when the battle royale mode was a thing, then you had access to cheap repairs. If you were lucky enough to play when sea monster hunting was lucrative, you probably have billions of "free" silver just sitting in your storage. I could go on, but I'm sure most people see my point.

    Anecdotal evidence in these threads doesn't work. Your """"friend"""" who's been playing for a few months and has everything without spending a dime got lucky enough to avoid the temptation, because (much to Kakao's ire) he never failed enough to get to that point. Most people get to that point. A vast vast vast majority of people do. It's what BDO banks on, and it's why this game is considered a p2w joke everywhere except this forum. BDO is a casino, and the house "wins" when you finally crack under psychological warfare and spend money after months of being pressured into it. You have a "friend" who pulled a slot and got lucky on his first day there, so now you're pretending the state of the game is fine even though costume melting and artisan memories are the very definition of paid advantages, and every cash shop item you buy on the market had to be purchased with real money at some point anyway. Recognize your rng-carry for what it is, and stop pretending like the pressures to spend aren't immense in a game that basically banks on people failing and using money to mitigate their failures.

    edit: This is of course directed at all the "muh friend won so the game's balanced" posters, not at the OP.
     
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  8. iller

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    Show me the items that change a pet's Tier or a Horse's skill then (so that it may eventually become a Courser).

    ...and don't try to tell me that's just an Aesthetic difference
     
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  9. Allan1985

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    what if i told you memes are not arguments? rather visual forms of adjectivization wich once again contribute to nothing to the post (again)

    You do not need pets (can be bought via MP) yes because f2p model is based on a new player already having the money to "BID" for those pets right after character creation
    weight limit (avail through loyalty) you conveniently forgot to say that weight is limited to 4 purchases per character (up to a max of 200LT)
    costumes (MP) selling costumes is characteristic of a f2p bussiness model since your gameplay is totally unaffected by them
    value pack (MP) a f2p bussiness model is excludent from a subscription bussiness model, by definition you are either one or the other, you cannot be both
    storage limits (can be acquired through CP renting). and should be already incuded after you purchase the game
    At no point in the game will you hit a literal wall saying "you cannot access this zone, you need to buy the DLC no, it will say "you can access this zone but since your "f2p" progress is way inferior in comparison with other players so your AP is not enough for you to do shi.t here
     
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  10. XLucaX

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    Theres the QQing of the player who wants handout, knew it. "progress is way inferior in comparison with other players so your AP is not enough for you to do shi.t here"

    Are you now making the argument that you cannot attain high tier ingame without cash shop items? If so, id like you to point out the items in the cash shop that will literally make you strong, so strong that those items alone will help you win combat either against players or monsters. Because I can tell you, there is no item. Theres no weapons or armors ingame that will help you progress whatsoever. What, the magic underwear that gives +1 luck? bring back the 2016 argument over underwear please. Or the ghillie suits that basically proves youre too stupid to pay attention to your surrounding?

    God, every single QQers of the forum about cash shop says the same BS. And the the only counter to the stupid argument are other players anecdotes. But of course if those goes against your argument theyre thrown out the window, right, right? This is why nothing posted in the forum is taken into consideration by PA, because 1. Youre posting a suggestion in the general area, while there is a suggestions area (letting the Devs, should they ever read here that at the very least you are lacking of common sense).

    This is just another addition to the QQing thread thats pointless. Been reading since day negative 3, to now. I have yet to read an actual good logical posts about the cash shop, its always the same whining that overall boils down to the implied message "cash shop = p2w" failing to comprehend that players are progressing without ever utilizing the cash shop.

    if my language is too rough for your snowflakeness, I suggest going to the newbie zone, im sure youll get better responses from the CMs and GMs there.
     
  11. Allan1985

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    i havent read not even 1 single counter argument from you in this post, other than personal attacks (for the 3rd time), am i having a conversation with a person or with a uncivilized creature i wonder, since you seem to have no arguments left whatsoever should i just continue responding to other players?
     
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  12. WinterMilla

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    Can't say the game is p2w if you never win.
    While you can play almost entirely with spending no pearls, its not very easy. From the eyes of a new player BDO is a large world with a huge number of mechanics and features. Because of this a lot of players don't know what content they should be focusing on. When I first started it took me a week to hit lvl 50. Took me getting my guild mates at the time helping me out to reach lvl 56. I watched and read guides all day long trying to learn as much as I could about the game. It took me roughly a month and a half to get a firm understanding of the game.

    I say that to say this, I don't except new players to understand how the game works or what they should be doing unless they luck out with a decent guild. While I'm far beyond the point were I can get a character from 1 - 56 in about an 1.5/hrs, I still remember when I first started. The game places road blocks that really rub that Pearl shop in your face. Examples would be pets, weight, inventory space, storage space, worker lodging, outfits, stables, artisans, value packs, banding, tailoring coupons, cron stones, ect. While yes some of these you can get with in game silver, its made to be a massive pain in the rear to get them. Cron stone prices are high AF and really shouldn't be in the game in the first place. Nothing makes me fill more powerful then failing TET and letting my gear degrade. Last I looked at market place for a value pack there was over 8,000 orders up, yea not doing that.

    Every time bring up a 'My friend made it to end game with this one easy trick", I throw up a little. Its on par with saying "Yea a greater part of the community gets ass blasted, but that one guy got pen so its all good". I still remember the day I read cron when up in price and was dying of laughter. I always wondered why BDO never went free to play in NA/EU market as its feels that way now. I know some will argue that $5 and $10 isn't much to play, yet at the same time thats looking from your wallet. If BDO was free2play then a lot more of what it does would make more sense.
     
  13. Phoenixxx75

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    Somebody else had to spend the money for him so he could get these items from the central market. In other words somebody else is subsiding his free to play status.
     
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    So I am guessing they also never bought one single pearl shop item from the market place. If they have bought these items from the cm they are taking advantage of somebody else's hard earned money but are still using pay to win items.
     
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  15. Phoenixxx75

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    There are some free alternatives to the cash shop items but in almost all cases they are not as good nor can you easily get max weight or max storage plus the value pack plus the valks advise etc just using the 100 loyalties.
     
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    Yep and that was their choice to do so. I myself have spent lots of money in game because I saw value in what I was buying.

    Bottom line is it is still a choice, NOT a requirement.
     
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    He's also full of ******** because consistent access to item collection scrolls are gated behind pearl shop BUNDLED items and/or event items and aren't sell-able.. Hence the backlash on the last fortune pouch event.
     
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  18. Blacksheep

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    - A game cant run for free.

    - You cant say p2w since there is nothing to win in this game. (There is no direct combat relevant stat to buy) (Not sure ... i saw hp,mana scrolls exclusive to buy, but maybe i just missed it, but at the end it dont matter)

    - You can save tons of life time (wich is quite useful?) Well this is rather a "game chose":

    -> Video games are always time wasting no matter what you do.

    -> Its up to you how you want to waste your time. In grinding or doing pvp. (The issue is you cant rly do pvp without grind but nvm you can go just with your +0 gear to fights no one stops you from your entertainment).

    - At the end you dont even to do pvp in this game. for what? Enjoyment? Uff its gona be long way for you boi. But this is why you playing it.

    - Next would be about RNG but i am to tried to go even deeper to this. Up to you if you like it or not. Overall this point cant be skiped or shorten. We all know why :D

    At the end it dont matter if this game is free to play or not. I wont run for free, so dev and publisher got some nice ideas for paying models wich will be the future of mmorpgs :D

    Enjoy it for what you pay or not.


    EDIT: why this forum dont support tabs... my text look horrible.
     
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    I like cake.
     
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  20. Myntiix

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    People complaining about p2w are the ones that cant spend as much money on something as they would like to :^)

    **** all these ferrari drivers, they drive faster cars then me!!11!1!1!1
     
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