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Removal of the Shai censorship

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by Tirae, Jul 11, 2019.

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Do you want the original 'uncensored' models?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

    20.4%
  3. Don't care

    18.8%
  1. Kanimae

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    Are you screwing with me here? It's a law set in stone, introduced several years back. I don't have to prove anything to you when a simple google search will show you said law. Just because I am unwilling to spoon feed you does not mean that a law doesn't exist. Are you crazy?!
     
  2. Tirae

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    I think nothing further needs said. We aren't responsible for defending YOUR viewpoint or your claim. Which you don't seem to understand. No need for the insulting behavior.
     
  3. Drenoz

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    I wonder how Tera gets around these supposed "laws". Hmm *thinking*. It's almost like they are fictional
     
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  4. Yukizawa

    Yukizawa Witch 60 EU

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    Why should i, you say there a law, i think about anime, mangas and so on in Germany, and wonder, because there are many that has a bigger sexualising content with childlike charakters and they arent so heavily censored like the shai.
    But if they against a law, why germans could watch them on Netflix, or Anime-on-Demand or such a site
     
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  5. Mcwill

    Mcwill Shai 60 NA

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    When you make a claim that something does or does not exist, the burden of proof is on you. It becomes your responsibility to provide evidence that your claim is true. Otherwise, I could claim that I've been to Mars and you all have to believe me unless you Google it.

    I urge everybody to stop talking about a law that may or may not exist. This thread is not debating German law. Does this law directly affect the Shai? I don't believe it does. The Shai are not sexualized, much less pornographic. Unless the law states that it is illegal to show a small framed, fictional female character in her underwear, then nothing illegal ever took place.
     
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  6. JM

    JM Tamer 62 NA

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    Agreed.... It was a false equivalent to begin with.
     
  7. Yukizawa

    Yukizawa Witch 60 EU

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    and yeah because i dont know, with wich word you have searched.
     
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  8. Satsuki Hime

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    Know how I mentioned not replying to trolls? Basically the last two pages of this thread are precisely why you don’t reply to trolls.

    To put it bluntly,

    There are no laws in any country that Black Desert is released in that world criminalize the KR default Shai. Period.

    Still want to argue that? Post a link to a case of someone being arrested in the US, EU or UK for playing a character in an unmodified, legally sold game. If you can’t, then don’t bother.
     
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  9. Findubar

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    How do the "original uncensored" models look?
     
  10. Mcwill

    Mcwill Shai 60 NA

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    I posted some screenshots on page 3.
     
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  11. Findubar

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    I couldn't care less about this discussion but i think it's funny that people who voted no in this thread would not last an hour on a east european beach. lol.
     
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  12. NiyiYee

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    Counts for The Netherlands as well. Children under the age of 5 and under are mostly Naked on our beaches in the summer. This has been for Ages and will continue to be so, anything older wears "bikini's". Honestly I barely see Swimsuits for children these days parents only dress their children in bikini's I must say my own children included.
     
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  13. Aelisah

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    You keep on taking posts you can reply to yet ignore me fully when I'm coming with actual valid points.

    (You can find them on the previous page (9) in case you 'have no idea what I'm talking about')

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    @Kanimae I tried to google it but I got referred back to this topic cz of you lol :D


    Also even the wikipedia page mentions nothing about germany at all. It did mention the Netherlands (where Kakao is based at, but nothing of related contents) and also - this is again about that certain illegal and nasty subject that DOES NOT RELATE ANYTHING TO SHAI CURRENT ORIGINAL MODELS.

    So you're outplayed until you have an actual valid response of content - no one needs lies and rubbish shoved upon for suggesting something validly.
     
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  14. Khalel

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    You should NOT misinform people about how laws work, because the law doesn't affect the original models drawn from Korea. Beacause isn't sexualized or has intentions, nor have any pornographic purposes, the original model has less exposure than any child in the pool and you want to put the law into this.

    with that level of extremism on the application of laws, as someone seeks to buy bikinis for their children online will probably be imprisoned ...
     
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  15. Jarvan

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    Uh oh, either you guys stop the arguing or the thread will get locked. Either way, I don;t see PA reversing the changes, given how many weeks has gone past without a single official response. TBH, shai is probably going to be stuck like this, given how PA don't really introduce new underwear options after initial class release. Many in a year or two, but right now, not a chance.
     
  16. Tirae

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    If they don't change it it is ultimately their loss. One of my friends who returned to play with me is upset about this and says she is on the verge of quitting. And honestly if that is their final answer and continue to ignore and insult us then I will be done. Heard PSO2 is finally coming to the west, or maybe I will try out lineage II again.

    Might seem like a drop in the bucket, but will be me and 5 friends leaving this game for good. I imagine I might not be the only one in this case. Which is sad.. i just got back into the game again and was genuinely enjoying myself but I cannot support a game ran by people who think we are children that need to be told what they feel is acceptable for us.

    For now I will keep fighting for censorship removal until it truly is a lost cause.
     
  17. WinterMilla

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    So I was challenged to look up the laws regarding "child-like" characters in video games and man did it suck.
    First let me tell you what I read: Censorship in Germany, Volksverhetzung, Protection of Young Persons Act, Federal Review Board for Media Harmful to Minors, Video game censorship, Netzwerkdurchsetzungsgesetz, Unterhaltungssoftware Selbstkontrolle, and Pan European Game Information. Ever want a fun time just read all of that.

    The common theme to these were that they wanted anything dealing with violets towards a minor and a group of people was to be banned. The heaviest of the topics were over violent in general and the hate groups such as but not limited to Nazi and the KKK. This was so heavy that games such as wolfinstine had to change the nazi symbol to the novel symbol in the release of germany. Only recently did they become more relaxed on those laws.

    I did read about the banning of sexual mentions of minors, but it was kinda in the back ground. The only major quote i can provide is
    Which I think this is where your argument came from. Well this would fall through on a few levels. For one I couldn't find where people in germany were arrested for games of anime, now i dont live in or speak german so my looking skills are limited. Futhermore the USK and PEGI guide lines are mostly the same in ratings so im going to use thie. The game is rated PEGI 16 and in their words:




    See with this we can conclude that BDO as it stands has no sexual themes in it according to the EU and Germany. Wild when you think about. Shai isn't underaged just small, but if you still wanted to run with that arguement then oh boy Pearl Abby and Kakao would be in huge trouble. Its would be because shai is being harmed which would be break the law. Which kinda stands to reason why they make these characters over aged. At the same time there is a illness that can cause a person to stop growing at a certain age which I could also bring up, but we will save that for another time.

    In all the laws that I read non of them could explain why shai was censored. I feel that what you are bringing up is the general view of such characters rather than law. Which it should be noted we don't operate that way as the law would change every 30mins and everyone would be breaking it.
     
  18. Satsuki Hime

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    I like the game itself too much to stop playing. But it will cost them the fact that I get obsessive about costumes (I have almost all of the Lahn and most of the Ranger ones.. yeah, I know) and I will not be buying any more Shai ones.
     
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  19. Tjaranis

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    seriously
    wtf do you, or anyone, care if other people don't have censorship on their client??
    if it is optional wtf would you have a problem with not censoring it?...
    some people are seriously messed up fanatic religious nutcases.... just freaking keep your crap to yourself and keep out of others business; they are NOT for you, they are NOT trying to stomp things down your throat, just wish for the option to cover all your character in black burka if that's your thing but keep your crazy phobias and sick religious or conservative crap out of others lives! -_-
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    do You and let others do them... stop trying to force your bs down other peoples throat.
    ffs..
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    edit: and NO there is no law saying you can't have characters of small size in bikinis in a game; unless you are going to introduce sex scenes you will never hit an illegal mark on this one
     
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  20. Joungf

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    Oh, so why is shai class then blessed with a legging in NA / EU? Do not ask me please.
     

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