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Removal of the Shai censorship

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by Tirae, Jul 11, 2019.

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Do you want the original 'uncensored' models?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. Don't care

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  1. chendu

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    except those terrmian some npc Have (which make this censorship even stranger since we had those since terrmian exist 2-3 years)... but even there I fail to see the sex appeal this would have on a shai

    Also the lead designer (?) for bdo said that the first thing they aimed for shai while creating her was "cuteness"


    I looked a bit in the game, and found a chocking conclusion... Those people at Pearl abyss are too damn lazy to make a human child model every time a child is mentioned it's either blatantly a shai or it has it's ear covered ... this might explain why they did that censorship thing
    upload_2019-7-23_19-21-38.png "Young priestess ... supposed to be an elf but it's a sai model
    upload_2019-7-23_19-22-43.png young pickpocket ... his ear are hidden by the hood but it seem to be a shai model
    and my favorite the child and her mother in the slums upload_2019-7-23_19-30-40.png
    Even the "kid" at star ends are looking like shai
    same in tarif ...
    (seriously it would have cost them 30 seconds to change the ear on the model -_- ow lazy one can be)

    Nope when she came out she Had holes in place of a chest and hips making things pretty uggly

    Edit : the only Human child npc I found : upload_2019-7-23_19-35-15.png
     
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  2. Tjaranis

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    bread is better with butter??....

    or we are not just stating non-sensical things which has NOTHING to do with what the other person wrote??? maybe read instead of just spewing ******** that doesnt related to what someone wrote -.-
     
  3. Joungf

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    You wrote: "edit: and NO there is no law saying you can't have characters of small size in bikinis in a game; unless you are going to introduce sex scenes you will never hit an illegal mark on this one"

    And I asked: "Oh, so why is shai class then blessed with a legging in NA / EU? Do not ask me please."

    Not sure if you understood my question.

    Introducing xxx scenes in a 3D game ... What exactly do you mean with that? Can you please explain how it should or not should be, please?
     
  4. MegosCaptian

    MegosCaptian Musa 61 EU

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    I'm not sure if I understood your question. But what Tjaranis is saying is that there is nothing illegal with shai even if we would get uncensored version. And shai would be illegal ONLY if there were xxx scenes in the game.
     
  5. Joungf

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    Correct.
    Now let's move to my part:
    If it is so as Tjaranis wrote, why that censoring on shai class and NOT on shai NPC's (on NA and EU)? I did not get an answer to my question.
    Consider that in a 3D game you are the camera and the actor. You can create many inappropriate stuff (still, animated scenes, videos).
    Now tell me, how fast those sick stuff would spread out around the world and would discredited BDO, a 16+ game?
     
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  6. MegosCaptian

    MegosCaptian Musa 61 EU

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    nobody here knows why NPCs are not censored only PA does.

    People have already done those inappropriate stuff (taken pictures ect.) and it happens in every game not only in bdo. This is something that can not be stopped in any game and it always happens. I also have not seen any of those pictures starting to spread and discredit any games.
     
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  7. JM

    JM Tamer 62 NA

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    Don't engage this person. It will only result in more detailing.
    Don't engage this one.... The aim is to derail the thread and they've been successful in that more than once.
     
  8. Joungf

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    "Removal of the Shai censorship" - that is the topic, right?
    And the question of the poll is "Do you want the original ´uncensored´ models", right?
    So, while others from the "anti-censor faction" blindly yelling "remove censorship!" and "censorship is bad!" is ok for you and is not derailing, right?

    But when I ask for the reason why it happened for NA and EU you say it is derailing. I know it is hard to turn on that thing called brain and start to think and also to ask yourself, why that happened. Maybe there is more behind it than arbitrariness. You need to see it also from the other side of the medallion to understand it.

    You do not need to accept it. That is your personal decision. But you have to accept that there are people who have different point of views over that case. I accept your point of view. Blaming a person of derailing the topic because you do not like my point of view because I also bring the other side into discussion, is not a really mature way to solve our divergences.

    I am also not a friend of censorship but many 16 - 17 years old BDO player (and of course those who are much younger ;-) ) totally forget that this game declared as 16+. What do you expect from a 16+ game where suddenly toddler become a new playable class, not looking the slightest like their NPC models and you can not make them look like the NPC ones.

    Kakao / PA are riding on the popularity wave of cute characters hype. Looking into the comment of the people of the "anti-censorship" fraction, they are mostly (indirectly) proud of reading h-mangas, watching h-animes and playing h-games which are 18+ (even if they do not know it or do not want to accept that they are).

    There are also those player who are just a big fan of cute toddler (In Japan this is very common that at least one cute female toddler is placed in animes, games and of course mangas. And they do wear some times tight cloths and "accidentally pant shots" are common as bleeding nose and many other things that western people / parents dislike or see as inappropriate.). --> Conflict of different cultures.

    Even if my comments leads you to the conclusion that I do not have the lightest idea of Japanese culture just a warning here: Never underestimate my knowledge over the good and bad, the positive and negative of Japanese culture and history.

    For me the reason why shai class is censored but shai NPC's not in NA and EU is clear (it is their own fault). If Kakao / PA will , can remove it - who knows. Playing a shai toddler instead a great proud mature shai warrior or "healer" with her original character traits is disappointing (personal opinion).
     
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  9. Kiwaso

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    Then the title of the pool would be: We want the original Shai, unmodified.
    Your comment is much appreciated showing your point of view.
    I would not really call it censorship because there is nothing to censor the original character.
    I feel that this modification would be typical of Islamic countries where restrictions on women are much stricter. But not only Shai, ALL female characters.
    I again indicate my position on this subject: I want to play the original Black Desert game with the same modifications as in Korea.
     
  10. WinterMilla

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    Kinda hate how you have to add in hentai in to the argument with shai yet can't provide any proof as to how it relates to BDO. Problem is every time one brings up an argument as to why shai should be censored I look into it and provide evidence to counter that. Its not that I think that I'm always right, but I at least entertain every argument.

    What I've learned from the shai threads is that people rarely have a point other than its morally the right thing. People claim there is a law or its a culture difference or it has be unfair for what ever reason, but if you ask them for proof they normal shove the job of proving them right onto the other person.

    There is no law for censoring shai, hell there is no law for lewding her. I read and read about the laws and just found mountains of nothing proving anything. In the time I spent reading I found claims all over saying how these characters types cause this and that, but still no proof. I was sure with how massive the net is I would be able to find one decent argument, but yet nothing. The only conclusion I can draw is that its an over-reaction to a character in a virtural space that has no one to one with the 3D physical realm.

    The claim that a person that see something will always react a certain way isn't true either. We can use the example of sexual orientation, political views, life goals, habits, taste, ect. to prove that not ever behaves the same way. If your saying that all pedos like looking at lolis then you might have a point, but to say that all people looking at a loli is a pedo is false on more than one account. Its would be like saying that everyone person that

    As for lewding a character the law states roughly as long as the character isn't a representation of a real life child. So in short as long as you don't use a real life under aged person your good. Its why anime and games get away with it so much, this is not limited to 12 but anything below 18. Its more like the freedom of expression and such. This paragraph is a bit weird, so feel free to quote me on it and I'll explain it further.

    Since BDO doesn't even have any H-series or pornographic maternal in the first place. With the censored removed shai would still be in line with the law. (No more claiming laws without providing a link to the law). Morally we are kinda ...... off? I can see where people are trying to come from, but censoring a character in a game doesn't help anything.
     
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  11. Satsuki Hime

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    PA thought they would get flack if they released Shai in the west the same as the East, so they censored her, which created the very controversy they tried to head off. That’s the reason. Had they not done that, these threads wouldn’t exist because the people opposed to her are still opposed to her anyway.

    Arguments using logic don’t work when one side is illogical. Either they don’t like the Shai and pull nonsense out of thin air to make an argument, or they are straight up trolls messing with people.

    They don’t provide evidence because you cannot prove what isn’t true.
     
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  12. magret

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    i'm a bit surprised that your post didn't get more likes for the video, and maybe people don't click on it because it's faster to read the rest of the post. I almost missed it for that reason.
    So people, just take 5mn and click on it, it's right on spot and hilarious.
     
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  13. Tirae

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    I saw that video back then when I used to play Tera Online and was right in the middle of the censorship dumb stuff then as well. Similar complaints, no one liked the lazy way they tried to censor and there were threads wanting it removed.

    It is like some make progress to sanity, then others take many steps backwards. Similarly how playstation is now demanding for more censorship in games from developers wanting their games on that console now, yet Nintendo vows to stop censorship on their own consles.
     
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  14. magret

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    when I see the reaction being the exact same for Tera or BDO where the outfit have nothing in common I start thinking it's more about some people finding that niche where they think that if they agree with the censorship it's a way for them to exercise some sort of control over other's experience. Even if they are doing nothing active really aside actively lacking of common sense.
    Couple that with this 3rd millennium tendency of not seeking the best for oneself but rather enjoying others being miserable and you're there.
    you could dress the Shai with a full potato sack, then add a ski mask "for cultural reasons", you'd have the exact same arguments.
     
  15. Risa

    Risa Shai 62 EU

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    week for week dissapointment :/
     
  16. Tirae

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    Yay for riding horses but the ongoing censorship is disheartening. I'm on the verge of throwing in the towel and quitting BDO again. There are other games I can play, and I'm sure they would be just as happy to take my money while not shoving bad changes down my throat. Mentioned it before but.. I think I'll wait long enough to get the talent stuff for my Shai and then be done with it if we continue to be ignored and mistreated in this manner.
     
  17. Myntiix

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    Quiting game because you cant see knees. Lol.
     
  18. Tirae

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    No, quitting a game because the censorship is entirely pointless from the get go. If you are happy to be told what you can or can't see or can't have, especially in this day and age, and treated like some kind of degenerate then good for you. If I wanted to see 'knees' so badly I could of, as explained a thousand times, grab the decensor patch. You fail to see the point, and you fail to comprehend why stuff like this is bad for -ALL- gamers as a whole.
     
  19. cloj

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    Absolutely, but also the other parts that are being covered. Not just the knees. Make no mistake, this is a deeper issue than you are making it out to be. It's what censorship represents and the type of world it can lead to.

    By the way, everyone other than EU and NA are getting uncensored versions and to clarify, we are getting ugly versions of the same cash shop items. Same or more expensive Pearl Shop with subpar quality compared to other regions.

    Maybe you're not into the Shai or it doesn't matter- you don't care. Everyone else here is getting cheated. Even the ads are uncensored. Game model Shais are uncensored. Only the Shais you can play are suited up and is showing under every outfit. Doesn't even make sense. It's a half-cocked effort and because of that it shows how much they really care about it.

    Worst thing about it is that the original outfits aren't sexualized outfits at all. People care about the characters they play with. They don't want to be forced to wear a bodysuit under their paid clothing. If the game forced non Shai characters to wear a hat with the same texture of these godawful pajamas for whatever reason, I'm sure you'd be upset about how ugly your character looked.
     
  20. WinterMilla

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    Oh goody we back on the knee thing, then again me expecting people to read post is like asking Pearl Abby not to be money hungry. If your going to type something hows about we use a real argument this time that hasn't been talked to death and disproved. Probs won't though, you will disappear like the ones before, posting only one comment but still have no point or poof.
     
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