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Removal of the Shai censorship

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by Tirae, Jul 11, 2019.

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Do you want the original 'uncensored' models?

  1. Yes

    60.8%
  2. No

    20.4%
  3. Don't care

    18.8%
  1. Mcwill

    Mcwill Shai 60 NA

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    This goes back to what I was saying about their explained reasoning was for the censorship. They cannot say that cultural differences are the reason for the censor when it is completely normal to see girls wearing short shorts and tank tops(or less) outside in the real world. They also don't need to wear knee-length underwear whenever they wear a skirt just so everybody around them knows that they are covered up underneath.
     
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  2. XxShaiHealerxX

    XxShaiHealerxX Shai 58 NA

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    PhotoPictureResizer_190718_095249243_crop_376x384.jpg Does this mean we aren't getting the underwear?
    :(
     
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  3. Satsuki Hime

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    The pink and white ones have been out in KR for a while now, so probably not.

    Also, don’t reply to “keep the censorship” comments. You’re not going to change their minds, and it will degenerate into circular arguments like what got the big thread locked.
     
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  4. Auxey

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    Threads about this topic won't change anything at all anyway, even the last ones should know by now that this topic is just being ignored
     
  5. cloj

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    I wonder why these swimsuits exist in real life and why children wear them publicly if they're so inappropriate. The person that came up with this decision should at least come out and explain their decision instead of hiding like a coward. A personal agenda is being pushed here. Most people don't think this stuff is perverse at all.

    We want our characters to be as cutely dressable as those on other servers. Can't give you guys any more money until this issue is resolved. It's just going to leave a bitter taste in my mouth.
     
  6. Gabrant

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    dont know if you guys already talk about this here, but did you notice that the website didnt censor the shai but it is ingame?

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    I fixed it to fit the ingame character.


    Also I wonder ... where does the need for censorship come from? Kakao? PA? any random EU/NA/International law?
     
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  7. MinMaid

    MinMaid Guardian 62 NA

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    Yellow one is super thiccc
     
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  8. Tirae

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    Not a legal issue otherwise Terra Online and Blade and Soul would be under a lot of fire.
     
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  9. Satsuki Hime

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    It would be from PA most likely.
     
  10. JM

    JM Tamer 62 NA

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    Yep and they spent a good deal of time yesterday removing any posts pointing this out. Or removing pictures of in-game NPCs that are not censored. It's all pretty egregious
     
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  11. minusthedrifter

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    People who are going to lewd the Shai already have, just like every other game there were nude mods days after release. Your argument is pretty much the same as those who are pro DRM.

    No one here, or anywhere else I've seen is asking for lewd outfits, a kibelius or Victoria Secret underwear with stockings and garters. We just don't want every single outfit for the Shai to be ruined by long john grandma PJs showing on any outfit that's not Shark/Fish/Professional. Literally this entire conversation could have been avoid and everyone here would've been satisfied if we just got the plain old grey default underwear that KR and every other female class gets. For all I care they could never release another Shai underwear other than the grandma PJs but as long as we had the uncensored default I, and many others would be content.

    We just want our outfits to look cute, that's the whole crux of the issue. People have even said they don't even care if they censored with like boy shorts and a tube top, just as long as outfits they want us to spend REAL MONEY on are not ruined we don't actually care.
     
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  12. Joungf

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    Reminds me of ....
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  13. Kanimae

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    Big difference there.
     
  14. Tirae

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    What big difference? That they aren't real women, but pixels? A bunch of 1s and 0s? Soulless beings controlled by a mouse and keyboard (or a controller if you prefer)?
     
  15. Kanimae

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    There is a big difference between a clearly adult female, and an underage child. One is fine to see in skimpy cash shop apparel, the other is not.
    Not sure why I have to explain this.
     
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  16. Tirae

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    Where are these so called children? I don't see any. :|

    Sorry, editing my post since it seems a bit too aggressive. I do think people need to try and seperate fiction from reality (this is just a game, these are just drawings of a fictional race, and they are adults despite what you or any of us think). Still leaving in here that you should google Zeng Yushan for 1 real world example of people who are adults despite looking like children. There are quite a few out there.. you'd be surprised. Some of them are porn stars.. which I don't agree with pornography to begin with but.. whatever floats peoples boats I guess.

    Point being, you can't judge one based on just appearances. Just like even though some people in the world might look like children, they are actual legal adults and you can't stop them from dressing how they want, going out to the bar for drinks, etc. We should be pro-creative freedom, not crazy 'censor everything!'

    Where will it stop? Will they then decide to backtrack and censor the other characters after all? Remove any religious references? Change the description for every character to be gender neutral despite the intentions of their original creators?

    An important thing to note, since you seem to have ignored every post made by everyone else, is that the Shai playable characters have none of these skimpy cash shop apparels you speak of. Have you even bothered looking?
     
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  17. cloj

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    Not seeing the so called "skimpy" outfits anywhere. None of the outfits released for Shai in KR seem to be in this "skimpy" category. What we all can obviously see is that there is a cardboard looking tubelike covering around where the knees should be.

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    Even if the knees weren't covered here. It's clearly still not a skimpy outfit yet it is censored without any option to hide it. We are all adults here. Every man and woman here is responsible for their own actions. This is clearly a step in the wrong direction for progress. We don't need to be forced to cover our eyes by someone else. If you're an adult, you should be able to choose right from wrong and have it revealed or hidden according to your beliefs and comfort.

    If it's bothering you then perhaps there should be an option to hide all Shai knees in the your Options menu.

    To top it off, these are all advertised without the censorship and sold censored without even a warning. This issue does not exist in KR because they are sold with the original models. Only in EU and NA is this false advertising ongoing - perhaps due to laziness and neglect, or perhaps because whoever made this decision already got the virtue points and moved on but really doesn't care as long as their way continues.

    This is really disappointing for me because I waited weeks for this class to release. I came back to this game and spent time preparing for it. I bought this game on release and saw no forced censorship throughout its lifetime as it should be (because we're all adults). A lot of skimpy outfits for adult-like models and teenager-like models came and went so I was really surprised to find that regular outfits that children wear to dinner parties, Halloween parties, etc. are being blanket censored down to the knees for all outfits.

    This was absolutely unthinkable for me and I did not expect to be disappointed like this by NA/EU of all regions. Did you know that SEA have their outfits uncensored? Do you know what countries comprise SEA? Many Muslim-majority countries my friend. These outfits are uncensored in Muslim countries. Give. Me. A. Break. NA. Don't make me laugh. Whoever censored these outfits doesn't care about censorship. Just scoring virtue points in their social circle. And we are to pay the price.
     
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    Neither is real, it's a video game.
     
  19. Shuusaku

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    There is no major difference, because fiction is not reality. And Shai body is not even modeled after a child - her hips are that of adult women. Just look at the above picture in this thread - she is a midget women. Prepubescent children do not look like that.
     
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  20. minusthedrifter

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    No one is asking for skimpy outfits for the Shai and none even exist, even in the KR version. All of the Shai outfits (even the Pearl Shop underwear) is rooted firmly in the maximum adorableness category. You're arguing against things that don't even exist and no one is asking for.

    Further, are you aware that the Tamer can be made as small and child like as the Shai? They get the full suite of lewd outfits and underwear. Should the Tamer be censored as well?
     

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