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Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by Tirae, Jul 11, 2019.
Really? I didn't know the Tamer was supposed to be that age.
I think this is very senseless censorship ..may the reason why shais dont have swinsuits?
Always those that censor things, have more pervert minds ...
It's fine with tamer because now many 13+ girls in real life expose themselves a lot too (just look at these teenagers fashion dress) on social medias (#TikTok) so I guess it became some kind of "acceptable standard".
However, because of Shai's design they can't allow themselves providing some uncensored content since it looks more like a 6 yo child than a 13+ yo child (13 yo being standard limit age for the social medias).
This is why Tamer can get those kind of contents (even tho it's way less extrem than some sorc outfits for instance) and not Shai. The effective age is less important than the age the character seems to be
So I've re-written this post about three times because you know, can't make it to big and logical ya might not read it. So ill hit a few points.
1.) No one really knows tamers age. It was popular to say she was anything under the age because when compared to a gaint or the long legged elves she was the shortest. If you can prove that wrong, please do.
2.) So people buy underwear for tamer.....what the problem? I am having a hard time grasping the concept that buying an outfit = perv. I don't know man that math just doesn't add up. Even more so when you think about how 99% of the game you can't even see it. How many people really gonna spend $10 ($5 on sale) to make a tamer or shai just to look under their skirt. I don't know man, sounds like a lot of steps when google can get you more fast and for less. Not saying I endorse that, just that the point makes no sense.
3.) The whole "Social media is making younger kids dress lewd" is B.S. What you are looking for is "bad parenting". If you don't know what in your kids closet or what they are doing on social media and you take no steps to stop a local problem. Then your at fault not the company.
4.) Shai's 40. Wanting to dress up a character /= I wanna lewd her. I'm also confused on the point that if you dress up any other character that's not lewd, but shai/tamer bruh that's pervy. Just the logical jump is wild. Btw bet you still can't show whats sexual. The most "revealing" outfit in the game the kilbus is so rarely worn on tamer its not even funny. Now that I think about it I mostly see the other female characters in it, yet still its rare. Its like not every one is a perv just because they want a good looking outfit. Heckin wild.
OK some people are confused on why the tamer comes up in this topic.
No one has a problem with Tamer's clothing...that is the point.
Tamer seems to be canonically a minor. This post provides some evidence
The point is she seems to be 16, looks 16, and can be made in game to look even younger, yet for years no one has had a problem with her or her outfits/underwear/swimwear.
Why then would anyone have a problem with Shai not being censored if she canonically over 30 AND all her clothes are age appropriate for her apparent human age? Why does all her underwear stick out from most of her outfits (namely at the knees, arms, and shoulders)? Shai always looks like she forget to get undressed from her sleepwear before getting dressed in the morning (probably also means she forgot to take a bath).
Most people would let this go if PA got their outfit designers (not the hack who made the MS Paint censored default underwear we got in the west) to make a simple dye-able tube shirt and boy shorts set of underwear. That could be done with little fanfare and no admission of being wrong or right.
Because sadly even though a shai can be older than she looks and our shai is supposed to be thirty, they deliberately made her look, sound and move like a six year old human with large ears.
Even though not one of her outfits are even remotely sexual. Once someone labels something, its hard to get them to change their opinnion.
Just out of curiosity:
I am a female adult Shai. I am over 40 years old.
Now, as a playable character I have to look like a child. No sign of a mature body.
And, if that wasn't enough, I have to wear childish cloths and accessorises.
Now think about how I feel .....
You can already guess that ...
Well... tbf, female adult shais have lil tits, wide hips and a narrow waist.... so its not like they have 0 mature traits but they arent just very obvious... they have like a 13-14 years old human body but being smaller and with a more childish face. Anyway, they arent human. Imagine a green orc being sad because he is green... and orc xD
About the clothes... the lore says that they have a rather childish personality too, so maybe its not that bad to them... xD
They are an old powerful and proud race. The female shai can be very loud, insisting, stubborn and annoying. But sure, they are also playful and childish. But at least the female NPC shai are different than the playable variant of the female shai.
That is what I personally dislike - changing an already existing race to put the "cuteness" factor instead letting it "original" untouched.
But if it generates income for Kakao / PA ... ...
Well... thats one thing (but the only 'big' change seems to be the ears). But to me thats not a problem... the true issue is that they use the same model for human kids, elf kids and shais (because lazy reasons for sure) xD They are indistinguishable! D:
I will never understand that double moral of you can see blood and violence, but they censure the shai ..
Well I Totally agree, don't want to provoke any off-topic, but look at the latest Mortal Kombat (MK11) it's very brutal I would say extremely brutal yet it is ok. Here people are discussing visible knees.... and for some strange reason it is censored, I just don't get it. I know different titles, publishers, but how many times in overall there was a huge fuss about some revealed body part or whatever and some gruesome stuff is totally OK. It is OK to see ripped heart from chest, some blood sacrifices, but knees are forbidden.
that sounds to me like "i will never understand why child porn is forbidden while we have action movies".... just WOW
A commission I'm having done of my Shai character. This is what she'd look like if she were actually made to look like an adult, but in anime style.
And see? That's where you messed up because unlike tamer, the canon SHAI that they gave us is not a kid. It's like small people don't exist.
I have problems on both sides of the argument, personally I don't ever notice the underwear but I do where the Serendian armor skin at the moment, and have just started playing the class in spite of my misgivings. I feel like if i noticed it I might not be able to unsee it...
But here are my two cents as someone who LOVES playing halflings Halfling Fighters, Paladins, Clerics, and Druids being my DnD go to's. I do feel like they went a little too childlike on the Shai it's one of the reasons it took me so long to try the class out even as someone who likes RPing Halflings and has a real fondness for the support role. Even when I finally made my Shai I tried my hardest to make her look as mature as possible, I was even considering giving her wrinkles maybe turning her into a little old lady... and then I noticed that was not even an option. you can give every class in the game wrinkles EXCEPT the Shai... That does not sit well with me.
But at the same time we have censorship which I hate, and none of her cloths are really revealing on top of what a lot people seem to see as a really bad mod job that damages the classes overall aesthetic,.. So yeah At the very least they could bring in someone who actually knows what their doing to do a better job. Personally I would have preferred if they didn't make the model so child like to begin with, so it was much easier to differentiate an Adult Shai from a Human Child, but I have a naggings suspicion neither company has any intention of going back to and fix either massive **** up anytime soon.
Just going to add even if they had made the Shai look more like an adult with some form of stable dwarfism 200$ says we'd have still gotten a censored version. Just sayin'
So... we need to do that protest in Calpheon in the end to get the attention.
Anyone suggest a time/day for the date?
Maybe some online media want to report that event...
If they had made the Shai look like an adult...