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Removal of the Shai censorship

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by Tirae, Jul 11, 2019.

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Do you want the original 'uncensored' models?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

    20.4%
  3. Don't care

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  1. Joungf

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    The rating is not the issue here.

    But it seems that it is not the case actually.
     
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  2. WinterMilla

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    Fact is Dk is the only sexual class in the game. This MMO has their females covered pretty darn well for a Asian MMO.
     
  3. Kanimae

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    Again taken out of context. This was me responding to someone who brought up the skimpy clothing. Selective quoting won't get you anywhere.

    My point flew so high up over your head you didn't see it at all did you? I give up.

    Tera's Elins were just used as an example. Since they are not being sexualized within the game itself, its not going against german law of course. I am not sure if you guys are just being ignorant or obtuse to try and force your opinion. Maybe both.
     
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  4. Aelisah

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    Cept this whole comment of yours means nothing because playing a character that 'looks like a child' is not illegal.

    You're refferring to if someone would do / create / share or act illegal.

    That's something else. And anyone who live under laws like this should know better and live up to it or carry responsibility themselves.




    Censoring an originally SAFE character, in the thought of what someone MAY or MAY NOT do risking a law that they (the player, not the company) COULD be prosecuted for is just strange, unecessary and showing the wrong message.
     
  5. Shuusaku

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    Can you point to any examples of that happening? Or is it one of those laws that is just written on the paper somewhere and everybody ignores it?
     
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  6. MegosCaptian

    MegosCaptian Musa 61 EU

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    Elins are actually very sexualized within the game, much more than any class in black desert.

    Would be nice if PA gave us setting to toggle censored/uncensored so that people can choose which underwear they are wearing as there seems to be both people who like original and people who like censored version.
    But I'm betting that they are just going to sell uncensored version on pearl shop ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
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  7. Aelisah

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    Usually - like any law, you gotto be caught or reported. Doesn't mean they don't risk the chance tho.

    But it's their responsibility; As it is when they're stealing a car or their neighbours cat for that example.

    Hope so - for any of these options. Tho itll be sad if it's going to be locked behind a paywall.. Rather just revert the censored models back to original.
     
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  8. Shuusaku

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    You do realize that if there is not even a single case of that happening in a country with ~83 million people then all that talk about laws can be safely ignored? And that can be very easily get caught - like if someone creates a torrent in a public forum this can be easily reported to authorities. So I don't buy those excuses that they simply have not caught anyone yet.
     
  9. Aelisah

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    I didn't mean they haven't caught anyone yet - could just as well mean they have, not every crime gets published on the news. And some do.
    Like certain fires - not cause this fire was more spectacle than the other. Just because they felt the need of publicizing that certain fire for whatever reason.

    What I'm trying to say is theres multiple reasons why you might not find or hear anything about it. But that doesn't mean a law doesnt exist or isn't getting charged upon.

    Personal story - most police officers in the Netherlands dont even know if Electrical skateboards are allowed on the roads (theyre not) - some do and I receive a fine, most dont and are interested to know more about it and then let me go. It's impossible to live up to all laws 100%, doesnt make them any less laws tho. I should always risk the chance and take my responsibilities on pursueing an "illegal activity" and so should others.
     
  10. Shuusaku

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    I can agree that minor stuff about skateboards may not be reported in the news, because it's not news-worthy. But cases where people are charged for a crime over drawings usually do get noticed, because of how ridiculous/Orwellian they are. If not even a single such case was reported during this whole time then either everybody ignores that law (including the police), or that law does not exist in the first place.

    Edit: Like imagine this. Police are charging you for a crime over a drawing in Germany. You make a post about it on social media and show scans of the paper they sent you. And it will immediately get noticed by people and probably be reported on several news sites. And the fact that people are struggling to provide examples of this is very fishy, because it's not a minor thing when somebody life get ruined by a crime without a victim. It is news worthy.
     
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  11. Aelisah

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    Dont know about either - I didn't search for it.

    But I meant to say earlier not everything gets into the news either. Sometimes you can see smaller or more local news about a fire of a house happen and then not happen with the next fire even though they were identical. It's all due to public interest (I assume) - if things get handled behind screen and no one catches up to it, then there wont be any news of it. It would be impossible to report every kind of bizarre things happening in the world.

    As my profession I interview many people about their work and what they experience and sometimes hear the strangest stories, that you don't see on the news either. Doesn't mean they don't exist.

    Once again, I do not know cuz I wasen't bothered to google or dive into it myself but I'm just giving possible reasons why there 'might' be nothing published online about it. But I do have heard about such a law (In germany specifically) before. (which yet again is out of the context of why shai should be censored in the first place as it is not illegal to play a character like that in the first place - but hey)
     
  12. Shuusaku

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    I am not talking only about the news btw. I am also talking about people reporting it themselves on social media with proof (like scans of papers from the court/police). It is VERY weird when there is not a single mention anywhere of those cases by anyone.
     
  13. Aelisah

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    On another note I DID dive in the only MMORPG that I know (and played) that is actually sexualizing any type of character (men/female, giants and smolls) - which where you can actually have 'sexual'-related emotes: Revelation online.

    You can play this game in Germany today - uncensored.

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    This is just a cute example of emotes you can do - without the opposing characters consent btw.

    So the whole germany law thing is just an excuse.
     
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  14. I posted to you the pegi because I've see several times people writing about laws. That's all.
    And I only wanted to clarify that if were so many problems companies as gameforge should have law issues.
    The most annoying thing for me of kakao is the false advertisement of shai outfits. Because they're showing us a product with screenshots that does not match with the product in game.
     
  15. Yukizawa

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    Can you tell me the exactly law? With § maybe?
     
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  16. Tirae

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    No such thing. No legal grounds or moral with the censorship of the Shai. I think Kanimae is grasping to validate their claims and the forced censorship while calling everyone ignorant who disagrees or ignore posts entirely.
     
  17. Mcwill

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    Let me try and nip this law thing in the bud. Now, I am not too familiar with German law, but I will assume that proof is needed in order to convict of a crime. So, in order for the law to come in and ban the game, you would need to prove that the developer is guilty of producing child pornography.

    1. There is no nudity in the game. There are a few pieces of underwear and several swimsuits. I'm pretty sure this doesn't count as pornography.
    2. The game does not feature any sexual content. You might consider breast and butt physics as sexual content, but the Shai does not have these features.
    3. The Shai's outfits are not sexually suggestive. You would really need to be reaching if you considered the original, uncensored version of her underwear to be suggestive. A tube top and boyshorts are very modest for underwear.
    4. Yes, I am going to say it. The Shai are not children. They may share some physical characteristics with that of a real, human child, but they are a fictional race from a fantasy video game.

    Even if German law does not distinguish between real children and fictional game characters that resemble children, you would still need to prove that they are being sexualized or exploited, which they are not.
     
  18. Kanimae

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    I am sure a simple google search won't kill you. The law exists. I'm not spoon feeding you guys.
     
  19. Tirae

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    You are trying to defend something that does not exist. If you want to prove otherwise it is your responsibility to do so, not ours to do the work for you.
     
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  20. Yukizawa

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    It is so difficult to name the law?
     

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