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Reward "Whales"

Discussion in 'General Gameplay' started by Nihilistic Nancy, May 29, 2020.

  1. Naho

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    What???? Ppl who literally didn't spend a single $ on the game were on the top while some who even paid to buy ingame currency through gold seller couldn't even beat crap ...
     
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    Kynreaa DarkKnight 62

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    Was this before, or after the p2w changes?
    There has never been a time when a player who hasnt used a pearl item has been on top..They cant progress!
    Perhaps they recived items free of cost to them...but money was spent. It doesent matter though.

    I typed it early on The best gift right now, would just be a pearl to silver exchange between players. Fixes all the problems with p2w in this game.
     
  3. Naho

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    We are actually not talking about the same thing right now, i'm pretty sure about that
     
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    Kynreaa DarkKnight 62

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    LOL, I'm on the topic of whales, and what reward they deserve. Their...just deserts. And getting it to benefit me.
     
  5. Sadalsuud

    Sadalsuud Tamer 62 EU

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    About the business model, as long as false f2p with gambling mechanics will be allowed to roam freely, any game which does not apply the same thing takes the risk of being seen as uninteresting by investors.
    Compared to the high amount of benefits this model can generate, other alternatives seems lacking...
    Did you ever wonder if some games closed because they were simply not lucrative enough?
     
  6. RandomHajile

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    One of the funniest things I've seen on this forum. haha.
     
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  7. Tacarmato

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    Thank you for keeping the servers on and letting us continue playing.

    Please spend more so we can have better servers.
     
  8. Factorial

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    They harm the game by making it acceptable for the developer to give you a terrible product with fixes that you must pay for instead.

    Example: the enhancing system is horrendous. Here is the solution you must pay for with real money, i.e. artisan memory, costume melting, etc.

    Don't feel bad though. Most people don't understand this simple logic. It's hard for them.
     
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  9. Nihilistic Nancy

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    This type of thinking and action really must be a mental illness. Nobody is "FORCING" anyone to do anything with this product. You ALWAYS have the option not to play. Black Desert is not the only game in town. There are literally thousands of games to play, the market is saturated. Why would a sane person continue to do something they find so unpleasant voluntarily? Black Desert is not even a essential service like food or a doctor, it is a leisure activity. People that have not played the game for YEARS are in these forums posting complaints. The attempts to mask this self inflicted faux suffering with 'I want things to improve" is as laughable as it is transparent. Any sane rationale person would just move on. The self entitled hate filled damaged minds may be the loudest in the room but by no means are they the majority. When anyone thinks that rewarding/recognizing loyal paying customers is a tragic occurrence please let me know what business you are running so I never enter it.
     
  10. Korvgubben

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    You know the kind of person you see sitting alone at the "game corner" at supermarkets? The place were you put money on horses, football games etc. The upper middle-age men with greasy, curly hair, a baseball cap and old sports wear jacket and pants?

    Is "loyal customer" one of the first things that pops into your head?
     
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  11. Nihilistic Nancy

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    Your analogy is stupid.
     
  12. Korvgubben

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    This thread of yours is stupid.
     
  13. Ben Phoenix

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    Serious Companies usually welcome feedback and suggestions.

    Companies that feed their loyal customers with P2W and gambling in order to keep them glued to their monitors, passively accepting that BS and ready to burn their credit cards is what has been ruining MMOs since a long while now.
     
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    Kynreaa DarkKnight 62

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    ROFL, you truly believe that dont you? Why do you assume force?
    Your credentials on diagnosing mental illness are from where now? Or are you just another go hard company man getting involved in others expressing grievance over something that displeases them, for what ever self pleasing reason you just typed that.

    Unless you were paid to suppress customer complaints on products they pay for, your action right there could be considered a mental illness.
     
  15. Arreyanne

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    Why do I play BDO, simple with BDO i dont have to set in que to do stuff. I don't have to wait on 5-10 idiots to do content.
    I don't get screwed at the Market buying less than top tier gear.

    Ya I hate the Pearl shop pricing just like everyone else
    I hate the enchantments system
    I hate the desync
    And I hate everything else everyone else does. The biggest selling point is I don't have to put up with stupid, immature gamers if I don't want to
    to do content
     
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  16. Vortexii

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    For those that are new and do not know BDO's history.........

    There have been statements over and over about how customers
    • Where supporting the game previously and now refuse
    • Left the game because of Pay2Win
    • Feel cheated and regret their purchases
    • Are fed up with to many subscription options
    Customers that where willing to support the game long term, but simply will not due to the actions by Pearl Abyss & Kakao. Dissatisfaction isn't a rare thing for BDO customers, it's the norm.
     
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  17. Factorial

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    Sure, no one is forcing any of us to play the game. We established that 300 million years ago. Keep up.

    However, saying that no one is forcing us to play the game gives the developer the license to implement terrible design so that we must pay for fixes with real money on a constant daily basis.

    Stop enabling these ***** ******.
     
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  18. RandomHajile

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    Why do you play games? What is the point of your life? What does whaling accomplish and why do so many players do it? Let's do some philosophy.

    Bdo is another game. That game over there. TGOT. It's split apparently between people who like the amount of just busy work you can do and see a progress bar fill and people who are extremely serious about maximizing every aspect, maniacally progressing and gobbling up new things to the fullest extent. Like people who had pots during the drop event. They were geared, they were dedicated, they probably spent a bunch of money on the game.

    Then there's people like me and most of the people I know who exist on bdo who enjoy the world a bit, enjoy combat, enjoy getting better. As a friend said it's more fun than playing cards. Haha. I personally believe I exist in a different world than whales and don't care what they do: HOWEVER, I believe the model is flawed. I believe the worst interpretation of the model is that the two sides can't exist and cohabitate.

    It's kind of like believing bdo pvp could not be balanced or it cannot have meaningful content. Opposed to mindless stuff. The thing is, I believe all mmo companies believe they have to satisfy their whales first, as said. The problem with whales is more than likely they are gonna drain your game until they are bored then move on. It's not sustainable.

    I can see the future. This model is wrong. Kind of like I see, sort of, how to make a full loot sandbox work. I believe both things, the proper implementation of the freemium model and the proper implementation of the sandbox, will come, and it's unfortunate that no company wants to take the risk.

    Sure you can make money, but bdo might be in the space where the game is technically dead but whales are/were supporting it. And that's bad. The thing is that whales can only support a growing game, imo, for so long then it becomes just a codependency with the rest of us looking on like well, I'm glad I don't care about that or I would have quit. Or caring about that and quitting.
     
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  19. Vortexii

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    The example you should have chose was Archeage. It was deemed as a good game. Actually about the equal to BDO in many ways. However, the stench of Pay2Win buried the game. Archeage is a shinning example of what not to do. So is BDO actually. The REAL PROBLEM is a lack of alternatives. If there where just a few competitors to BDO without all the trash involved people would flock to it and BDO would be dead instantly.

    The sad truth is the industry is really hurting for good games. Phantasy Star Online 2 finally made it to NA and it's an 11 year old game. That's pretty big news because....... what else is there? Not much just a few of the names that have been around for a decade now.

    If you limit the games to action based (non target) you have almost nothing to compete against.
     
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  20. Sadalsuud

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    They're not forcing us, but they're always trying to do it. And yes, the market is saturated, often with games using the same business model, talk about a choice, sure.

    As I like this "leasure activity" , I'd like to not see it getting changed into a casino, or at least labeled and controlled as such.

    Now, do you finally understand that the problem is not the game itself, but its business model and how it badly impacts the game? And that we legitimately don't want to see our entertainment getting destroyed little by little, supported by oblivious players?
     

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