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Suggestions for Awakened Valkyrie

Discussion in 'Valkyrie' started by Kyraios, Jun 5, 2020.

  1. Kyraios

    Kyraios Sagaris Valkyrie NA

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    Since the Director of BDO stated during the Heidel ball to keep providing feedback and suggestions for classes, I would like to state my suggestions for Awakened Valkyrie and provide reasons for each suggestion. But first, a little description about the state of Awakened Valkyrie coming from someone who has mained this class for almost 6 years(small note i will exclude the current bugs with DLC making the class unplayable since that will hopefully be addressed soon):

    Awakened Valkyrie in its current form has the least amount of fully protected CCs out of any class in the game. In comparison to succession(which is in a good spot at the moment), Awakened Valkyrie is severely lacking in consistent group damage, support for allies in group play, and crowd control in general.

    In regards to her damage people always resort to her ultimate saying it does too much damage. I can say for certain that most Valkyrie mains would love for that damage to be split into other skills such as Lancia Lustitae, blitz stab etc. I can also definitely say that tamer, zerker, guardian, warrior, lahn, dk, and other classes in general have better uses of BSR than Valkyrie 100%. After her ultimate her hardest hitting skill is terra sancta... which is good for 1v1 but a complete joke in large scale as it requires set up with celestial spear and has a cast time(both of which are not protected). Hastilidium would be her third hardest hitting skill in awekening and one of her very few super armors, but for some odd reason, the entire wind up animation of that skill is not protected.

    Moving onto the support role that Valkyrie seems to have randomly in her kit. Valkyrie is definitely jack of all trades, master of none. All of her utility spells, excluding heavens echo, are all completely out matched by witch and wizard. For a class that seems like it was intended to support its allies, it is very weak in that aspect.

    Finally Crowd Control or CC. This is something done very well in succession. Its very strong forward guard stun on shield throw in succession definitely makes the class very enjoyable and viable in small scale fights such as 3v3,5v5, RBF etc. Though it is done nicely in succession, I cant say the same for Awakening. Her only group CC in Awakening is her Vacuum which is on a 30 second cool down, and is server reliant for it to even go off when its cast. Every other CC she has is unprotected aside from just counter which has the smallest hitbox (directly infront of you, with the width of a needle).
    My suggestions:

    Bringing Awakened Valkyrie up a slight notch -
    1. Equalize pre awakened and awakened block
    2. Make pre awakened shield throw a forward guard.
    3. Add a float to Flow: Revelation Sanctus

    Reasoning: As we can see from succession these small changes can make a world of a difference for awakened Valkyrie and will allow her to peel for her team mates in larger fights as well as give her something else to do aside from sitting in block. These changes will not affect succession. The float on revelation sanctus would make Valkyrie a threat in large scale fights as the aoe is wide for this skill, and would be her only super armor CC skill(Valkyrie currently has no Super Armor CC skills in pre awakening or awaking which every other class has, this is excluding BSR making this skill a cc would be her first one). Even with the suggested changes, she still wouldn't have as many useful protected ccs as she currently does in succession.

    Making Awakened Valkyrie Viable:
    1,2,3 from the previous list
    4. Removing the CC on terra sancta and giving it super armor.
    5. Removing the wind up SA gap on Hastilidium.
    6. Adding full Super Armor on BSR terra sancta
    7. Fix downward descent damage registration on ultimate when aiming at a target below you.
    Reasoning: adding SA to terra sancta means she will safely be able to do okay damage in a group instead of being forced to use her SA dash for damage. She will also still require an unprotected set up with celestial spear before it does good damage allowing for Valk players to take a risk. Classes that have hard hitting skills with super armor and dont need to set up for the skill(s) include:
    Guardian
    Warrior
    Kuno
    Musa
    Maehwa
    DK
    Lahn
    Witch
    Wizard
    Striker

    If almost every other class in the game has their hardest hitting skill be protected, why cant the class with the biggest shield in the game have that same protection?
    The fix on hastilidium should have happened a long time ago, or the wind up animation needs to be shortened. Also, No damage registering on her ultimate simply because your target is below you doesnt make sense as the regular non ultimate version of the skill properly descends and does damage.

    Making Awakened Valkyrie Good in seige/large scale:
    1,2,3,4,5,6,7 pulled from above.
    8. Change sanctitas de enslar to be iframe on cast and SA on landing
    9. Being able to Use Enslar to jump to allies or target location, grant allies a buff/heal on landing(doesnt grant Valk the heal/buff so it works like purificatione)
    10. Buff Valkyrie block to match guardian block or increase block gauge by 25-50%
    11. Rework Valkyries second rabam which currently combines divine power and elions protection(Valk PA) to be a second, but shorter, PA. As of now I do not understand how it even made it into live servers.

    Reasoning: the change to enslar making it iframe on cast would give Valkyrie 1 reliable iframe skill. Enslar jumping to allies is a direct buff to Valkyrie in group pvp as it can give her an escape route as well as open different styles of gameplay(whether she wants to be aggresive or supportive, also jumping to ally would be disabled on 100% rage cast). Buffing her block to match guardian, or increasing its gauge by a set amount, will allow for a few more seconds of maneuverability before it breaks. As you cant move when your block is broken because most of the awakened movement skills will cancel with her block gauge at 0. She carries around the LARGEST shield in the game so it makes sense that she would have a good block. The rabam needs to be revisited.


    To sum it all up; Awakened Valkyrie has the least Iframes, least CC, and least protections out of almost all the classes in the game. Awakened Valkyrie is unplayable in its current state in anything more than a 1v1. It is not fun and needs revision. The suggestions that I have written above come from my 6 years experience playing this class.

    tl;dr:
    1. Need more protected damage and cc
    2. Need a better block guage.
    3. Need a better escape option.

    Of course with all these changes Valks damage would need to be tuned down a bit and every Awakened Valkyrie would gladly trade damage for playability. But.. Until Awakened Valkyrie gets fixed, Succession remains infinitely better. feel free to post feedback/opinions on what Awakened Valkyrie needs in order to be playable in groups again.
     
  2. dobe

    dobe Lahn 60

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    If you have a support skill(support skill as being something enhancing combat abilities of other classes like buff/heal or Protective Area or debuff) then you shouldnt have the same easy access to kill than classes who can offer nothing else than murdering or having the same easy access to tanking than a classes who can do nothing else than tanking.That is group game design 101.A class shouldnt have it all and shouldnt do every role that is possible in the game at the same time.

    You want to be buffed in every side but if you want to stay a jack of all trades(because this is what valkyrie is right now) then you shouldnt have the same efficiency of what specialists offers,the sum of your strengths shouldnt exceed the only strength of the specialist,for example if an assassin class is rated 3/3 on assassination than your class strength should be rated: 1/3 on frontlining, 1/3 on supporting and 1/3 on asssinating.In other word if an assassin have a hard time assassinating then nothing in the world can justify you should have easier time than him to do the same thing.(for what i wrote you can replace assassin with the other roles it will remain the same,though there is also 2 main different way of supporting which one is heal/buff/debuff and the other one is damage).

    I wrote earlier about easy access but what is an easy acces and how it translate into BDO?It is either protection,skill having built in stats(like crit) you cant really improve the final damage with various buff existing in game from the base skill damage,big skill range or all in the same time.

    And to finish no one should ever compare itself with guardian.Its a 2017 competitive class state in a 2019 game state.You put all pre-reknown classes here and they will all,without exceptions(even tamer),mass murder everyone else on mass PvP despite all the bugs and shitty skill design some classes were plagued with.
    Guardian is an UFO from an another era and contemplating her now is wishing to return to prereknown era.
     
  3. Kyraios

    Kyraios Sagaris Valkyrie NA

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    I know I wrote a long post but at the end of it I did state that her damage would need to be tuned down a bit if she does receive some protections.

    Also Valkyries do not have that same "easy access to kill anything" without setting up first with celestial spear(which is unprotected) which many other classes are not required to do. Go create a trial Valkyrie and never use celestial spear in a fight and let me know you good your damage is. Setting up with celestial spear is a risk we have to take just for us to do damage. If not then our damage is laughable. Majority of the time in group play we end up getting ccd the moment we use it. But the problem with Valkyrie is that not only is the set up unprotected but her skills used after the set up are also unprotected. Also her support skills are not top tier, especially in this meta, and is definitely not a reason for her awakening to be horrible.

    Even if these buffs would be implemented, she would literally have 2 more protected cc's, a slightly stronger shield, and 1 real iframe(which she currently doesnt have right now) and some bug fixes. How does this signify that she now has it all??
     
  4. dobe

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    What i wrote is only generalities without entering into details,i'll repeat:if you want to stay a jack of all trade then
    1. You shouldnt be equal with other classes specialty.
    2. The sum of all your strength shouldnt be more than the strength of a specialist.
    For a non specialist the point 2 mean to be considerably weaker to the point of not being usable in any scnerio if you cover to much side(CC,damage,heal,buff,debuff,movement)to remain balanced with other classes.Or you have a minimum of everything to be usable and being stronger than the specialist.
    Do you even know what made you totally overpowered,busted(insert whatever other synonyms of symbol of power here)before the great class stomp?You had everything Protective Area,heals,buffs,burst damage,grab,long and good damage combos,staying power,movement and LSA on top enabling multiple fast catch(still a bit slower than warrior's catches) and damage trade.Even tho i prefered to fight valks 10 times more than to fight warrior because of the warrior insane speed solarflare-grab (which is still here),valkyrie and witchards made Warrior looks like balanced(and he was comparing to the other three classes).
    And after the big nerf you were weak AF.

    I already wrote this but i'll repeat:Be strong and balanced instead of weak and balanced.Make a choice.
    I wont support if you choose to be strong and unbalanced.
     
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  5. Kyraios

    Kyraios Sagaris Valkyrie NA

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    why do you fail to see that what I wrote for suggestions is to be strong and balanced. AGAIN, the suggestions I wrote above DO NOT MAKE HER BROKEN, THEY JUST BRING HER ALMOST UP TO PAR WITH OTHER CLASSES. Even with these changes, she will not have as many iframes and protected cc as other classes.

    Having a 30% heal on a 30 second cool down and a PA on a 4 minute cooldown is absolutely no reason to make her weaker than other classes who have MORE SURVIVABILITY, MORE CC, MORE BURST.

    I am someone who has experience playing Valkyrie.. 6 years worth. Where is your experience? If you think adding 2 protected cc's to a class that basically doesn't have any,1 iframe to a class that doesn't have any, and giving her some QoL changes make her unbalanced then I think it's an issue with your skill as a player.

    The only time she was strong before the cc changes was when they added Renown score. That lasted 2 weeks.
     
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  6. dobe

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    Fair enough....
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0h0r46hNU8pltv3OzHbbMA
    AN ex-guildmate BTW.I've spent days fighting him (probably more of than a full week of playtime(24H*7D)) on 2017 i probably knew more on valk potential without even playing her than forum warrior valk who claimed she was weak on 2017...And comparatively to him most valk i encountered were easy fodder for my non gear carried maehwa.So answer me he is not a very good valk and i will laugh at your face knowing your real value.
    Didnt play on 2018 and on 2019 i fought against various valk as a maehwa,i tried a bit a valk movemnt and her combat with a trial toon and looked at a tons of YT video.
    Your turn now.What is your credential?

    That is absolutly a reason to restrain your offensive potential....With that logic should we give to sorc 3 more protected CC or damage because she have nothing outside of iframe movement?What a joke...really it is A JOKE.
    Other classes awk have more burst?When valk main says themselves that her awk combo consist of stacking self buff via skills and addons before using your OS skill named Terrra Sancta?And awk 100% BSR which is on the top 3 most damaging 100% skill on the game with a generous AOE tied to it?Are you serious?!

    You want to be strong and balance when:

    ????
    You want more easy access,more damage,more ally buff,more CC,more tankiness AND AN ESCAPE on top of having already 4 protected movement skill slightly lesser than iframe skills,2 other protected movement+ shining dash(actually i dont remember if its protected during the movement)+other ways to circumvent your CDs for continuous moving.Currently you are at equalish movement level with warrior (and is movement protection) on a medium to long distance,while warrior is slightly faster on medium distance and have infinite movement(meaning he can fully rotate without being lower than 3/4 of its stam bar,you can even setup a bot and he will run 24/7 365D),while yours have a finite rotation outside of the stam bar.
    Sorry but no,you are not worried about balance.You just want to get back your OverPowered Status desguised as "weak status".
    The only fact that i agree with you is 2019 awk valk is not fun and cause frustration.

    AHAH.EXCELLENT.Good joke really. Why do i even loose my time with your kind?To weed out unfaithfull and untrustfull suggestion in case of Pearl abyss looks at this forum of course!
    Pearl abyss should take care of valkyrie case last,way after all other classes are all done and good and tested workable in the current reworking because it will allow them to give proper strength to her without overdoing it by comparing to all roster.

    Anyway i wont bother more have a good video time.
     
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  7. Kyraios

    Kyraios Sagaris Valkyrie NA

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    Either you don't understand anything that I write or you're too ignorant and want to stay ignorant.. You've literally never played valk and only watched videos.. nice. i've state multiple times that i've mained her for 6 years, you somehow manage to put words into my mouth that i never said. I said that I want to tune down her damage, and you're saying I want more damage? I never said I wanted more cc's either. I said I want the cc's(2) she has to be protected.... and i'm done arguing with you here.

    I'm not going to continue this argument with you.You're just a forum troll, who hasn't played valkyrie for more than what seems like 10 minutes, not even writing constructive feedback, and just constantly complaining op op(about the state of valkyrie in 2017 even though the original post has nothing to do with past Valkyrie??). It's clear that some valkyrie has ruined your life multiple times as here you are trying to tear down some actual constructive feedback for the state that valkyrie is in now. So have a nice life.
     
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  8. dobe

    dobe Lahn 60

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    Okay i realized that some stuff were just flying ahead of your head because i used some abuse of language to get my point done.

    Meaning Being more protected at point 2,3,4,i already wrote multiple time the number 1 reason why valk is weak is because she dont have any focus when classes are super restricted on their kit.
    What happen if PA dont buff up all the awk kit but rearrange the protection without adding something?With your change your class kit will end up stronger than 3/4 of the roster.What will be the point of a shai if you buff up the valk buffs?You will not end up stronger than a warrior at frontlining but your kit AS A WHOLE will be stronger than the Warrior kit and after Warrior will be 100% legit on crying and asking more buff.You are almost on equal footing on protected movement with him RIGHT NOW already.
    THAT IS MY WHOLE POINT DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS TIME?

    Valkyrie,wizard,witch should be the last 3 classes devs should take care of way after all other classes are tested and approuved by players all around the world because of how easy it is to overbuff them and their communities crying and lying to their teeth to suits their narratives.

    PFFF Valkyrie 2017 weak when she had a very strong combat and over the tops ally buffs and heals for its time.The Best all-around class broken in every PvP scenario weak.....Seriously....And apparently she was even stronger at the time i didnt play the game.I have nothing to learn from someone with nonexistant PvP combat knowledge....

    You are shooting yourself in the foot by calling out someone who sided with you for reworking a "10 min triallers"....
     
  9. WhySoSeeryus

    WhySoSeeryus Wizard 63 EU

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    protected heal (+unprotected if rabam picked), fast cast PA, pull/succ skill, 100% uptime 15%accuracy buff(this alone is one of the most broken (and underused)buffs) , 10% crit buff, 20% movement speed buff...
    has dp shred(protected), has eva shred(unprotected)...

    i mean, lets be realistic here. awakened valk has some of the best group utility things packed into single class.
     
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    Valk is absolutely fine, only thing that would be nice is if preawakened block was buffed to be as strong as awakening so that we can gapclose more safely, but is absolutely not required. After all these buffs to awakening the class is the best its ever been (minus LSA days but I'm not counting then because it was stupidly op) and I don't want more buffs - the class doesn't need to be fotm. Right now, we have many other things that make up for the lack of protected CCs, and having so few keeps the class from being easy, which is a good thing.

    We do everything in the game pretty well; we have two protected heals, a pa, massive burst potential if you sneak up on a group with bsr Terra, and these days actually fairly decent protected damage. Even our movement is good now with the changes to shield chase, and we can disengage with them too. Sure, our tools for dealing with grabs are pretty underwhelming, but that doesn't matter when we have all this stuff to make up for it. I don't want to be the next succ wiz and would be perfectly fine with the class staying as-is. Awakened Maehwas and Zerkers need help, not us
     
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  11. Kyraios

    Kyraios Sagaris Valkyrie NA

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    Please tell me youre joking. Coming from a wizard too? Is that why all the seige guilds are 70% Valkyries? You have to be insane if you think any of the utilities she provides even compares to witch/wiz/shai. And sure, -15 dp, im definitely going to be one shotting 390 dp people because of this! Thanks Pa! Dude ive read other forum posts and have mainly ignored other people calling you a forum troll.. but this.. you really keep up to those standards.

    Everything you listed(except for vacuum and accuracy buff) can be done 3 times better by a witch and wizard. Are we forgetting sa bound eva debuff voltaic? Light house? Heal? Rabam heal? Speed spell? Pa? Spell shield? 2x Iframe on Cast Teleports for safe repositioning? Aoe off screen protected nuke/stiff/kd/slow with meteor and blizzard? Your class alone can slow an ENTIRE GUILD in a war WITH ONE SKILL. Not to mention the fact that wizards can slow stack up to what feels like a negative number. So please tell me again which class has The best utility skills on a single class alone???

    But yes, my 15% accuracy buff, 10% crit buff definitely makes up for all of this! And so does my -15 dp shred! (That was Sarcasm incase youre too ******* dense) You literally play the most busted class in the game and seriously have the nerve to say that valk has the best group utility packed into a single class. She has the lesser version of group utility packed into a single class. Not only does she have sub optimal group utility in comparison to actual utility classes, she doesn't even have good survivabilty compared to the non utility classes. In awakening, She is a terrible hybrid of mediocre utility and unprotected damage with no definitive niche. Currently no guild would want an awakened valkyrie over a staff class. So please, get out of here with that "the best group utility"


    And to the other Valkyrie who thinks Awakened Valkyrie is fine the way she is.. youre either a casual, or someone that is non competitive. Why deny Awakened Valkyrie the ability to be decent and to hold her ground? Because you dont want other people to play her? So she doesnt become flavor of the month? What im requesting is to bring her up to par with her succession. Again, Im not asking for her to be flavor of the month, just playable.

    Anyway, this is my last reply to this thread as these suggestions werent made for people who do not play Valkyrie, nor people who do not play Valkyrie at any competitive level..

    People play whats good. Theres a reason Awakened Valkyrie is rarely seen.
     
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  12. WhySoSeeryus

    WhySoSeeryus Wizard 63 EU

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    this wasnt a dlck measuring contest.objectively, valks have amazing support/utility kit. some skills are weaker version of staff classes but with some twists(grapple resist on PA, faster PA, shorter duration/range PA, protected heal, less heal etc), but also they have pull skills which is very strong tool and which staff classes dont have.

    yes, you might not need as many valk as staffies currently, but ur guild is seriously nerfing itself if they dont have at least a few(imho). i can also agree that its way easier to be a decent staff class than a decent valk (at least awa) due to skill requirement.

    also, keep in mind that ive never ever written "buff" or "nerf" or whatever, just commented on your post about valk utility because it was really out of place.

    (also, ive been blown up by valks in way shorter time intervals than ive been by witchzards, since uve mentioned damage)
     
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  13. Muhaha

    Muhaha Valkyrie 62 NA

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    Don't worry, every time they've 'fixed' or 'buffed' awakened valk they seem to break something and leave it unfixed for weeks to years. Like how we only JUST got resistance on shield chase after they removed LSA years ago.

    Or like how this has been an issue for a few weeks now.
    "[Valkyrie] We are aware of the issue where after using Death Line Chase to move backward while Shield Chase III is on cooldown, using any Shield Chase again causes weapons and skills to act abnormally. - This issue is expected to be fixed with the June 17 maintenance."

    Dev logic is pretty much 'nerf sorc', class is still strong af.
    'Buff Valk', class still has the same issues, plus the extra broken mechanics from the 'buff'.
     
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    Kyraios Sagaris Valkyrie NA

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    Yup, and if only theyd actually have teams assigned to play specific classes in all aspects of the game they could determine what needs nerfing/buffing. Instead all they have are statistics. Only when clear proof (clips, videos etc) of a class being hilariously over powered are shared everywhere is when they finally bring down the nerf hammer.

    The reason why succession is "fun"(as they stated) is because, for a lot of classes, it addresses the majority of the problems awakening suffered from. Not because it does more damage.

    And the problem awakened Valkyrie suffered from is just about completely addressed in succession:

    1. Her shield gauge in main hand is strong
    2. She has good protected CC with a relatively low CD
    3. Good damage (protected and unprotected)
    4. Mobility that allows her to move around without the fear of being CCd the moment you leave block with a relatively low cd

    Now lets look at awakening:

    1. Mainhand shield is 3x weaker if not more than awakening(affects point number 4)
    2. Complete lack of proper protected cc skills
    3. All of her damage is loaded onto 1 unprotected skill that needs to be setup with another unprotected skill in order for it to hurt.
    4. Her protected mobility in awakening is also her protected damage so she has to choose between one or the other, and her pre awakened mobility is about 3x longer cd than succession version with much much weaker fg.

    Even with all of the good things that succession brings to the table.. guess what the best part is?! ITS NOT OVERPOWERED!!! Its BALANCED. With succession you have the ability to participate in all the pvp variety bdo has to offer. And to top all of this off, the only real difference in utility between awakening and succession is the vacuum!


    So AGAIN, they need to take another look at what makes succession more "fun" and buff accordingly. I want to be able to choose between my classes awakened playstyle and succession playstyle without having to worry about which one is viable.
     
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    To throw something in: do you know how close you have to stand next to the Valk to get this buff? The range is redicilously short. Let it be 2 meters. This isn't really somthing other players benefit from and certainly NOT broken. This is a good example how people think they can judge a class without playing it itself.

    And the rest? The long list can be shorten: 10% crit buff is absolutely unimportant (if you don't know why, play the class you judge about) and no group buff. 20% movement speed is simply necessary to keep at least a little bit up with the other classes and it's also no group buff. Rabam heal is something most valks don't use. I don't know a single one, because the second spear is basic! And if you use the evade debuff you are dead. Not worth and to risky.

    Sorry buddy, but you have really no plan about playing Valk. You just talk.

    In my opinion the awa Valk is solid if you have the skills to play her. For sure it isn't OP at all (like the succ Wiz).
     
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  16. WhySoSeeryus

    WhySoSeeryus Wizard 63 EU

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    imagine saying buff (one of the best in game) isnt important because it takes a simple discord bark for team to tighten up formation to get it.


    while not important to valk itself, it might help other less fortunate classes that dont have 100% crit on every skill via self buffs.


    ?

    https://bddatabase.net/us/skill/1982/


    it exists.
    i mean most wizards for most time do use fireball rabam also. doesnt mean they cant use rabam heal if the situation might need it more.

    and noone is expecting you to use unprotected skill when u need protection, obviously,... doesnt mean u dont have the skill.
     
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    Legacina Valkyrie 63 EU

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    i mean no point in spaming to tighthen up for the acc buff. just use it whenever its off cd. just dont use it when u get attacked cause you shortly leave the sa in block. which is stupid but thats how it is.

    the 10% crit on the heal is idk... 10% barely makes a difference. you never really use it for that purpose its just something thats there and wont make a class suddenly deal insane dmg. unless your class is called Zerker. where 100% crit with ult could potentially oneshot people through pa.

    the 20% ms is nice. even tho u usually already get it from witchzards. or as a valk you literally got it as a selfbuff that you can apply at any point....
    so i dont really get why you would need to use the heal for that??

    whoever uses rabam is probably some dp valk. cause the utliity the spear gives, in PvP and PvE is just way to big.
    unlike all other classes we rely on that critbuff. now imagine. u use your spear to cc. you fail. 3 seconds later you get a grab off. your spear still on a 3-4 second cd. while your critbuff is running out in 1.
    just hope its a 290 dp ranger that dies in 3 autoattacks. otherwise youre better off retreating than bothering dealing 2k dmg with a full combo.
    cause yea aparently valk is op cause she can deal massive dmg.... IF she gets her stupid ass unprotected prebuff off... meanwhile other classes deal about the same dmg without that risk.
    some even from range *cough*

    just imagine for a moment. you have all this group utility. which is actually pretty good.
    but the class literally cannot survive in fights without PA. unless youre far in the back. cause the middle of the fight is your death sentence
    your only disengage option out of that is shieldchase which makes your block shatter in an instant even faster than the awak one. meanwhile the guardian next to you already blocked for 10 seconds waiting for his S+F to come off cd again cause he jumped in with it. and survived until that point somehow.

    i dont wanna hear ''but guardian is op'' no she actually shows whats ****ing wrong with valk. im not saying we should get 10 billion sa's like her.
    and her dmg should go through the roof as soon as we pop ebuff while having insane range. and pretty good survivability.
    but some of those things that guardians has compared to valk. would help her alot.
    it still doesnt take much. but they refuse to give it to her.

    with the upcoming dmg mod changes we can at least hope to get a bit more tanky. cause most dmg against us got lowered. or lets say. lowered to the tankyness of warrior cause for some ****ing reason. they thought its fine that warrior is like 10-15% more tanky than us.
    i really dont care about the dmg buff we got. i mean it pretty much put us at the lvl we were 2 years ago, when they nerfed it by 7%.
    also doesnt matter since you cant get dmg off as frequent as other classes cause of insanely high cd's and low amounts of sa skills.
     
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    WhySoSeeryus Wizard 63 EU

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    every time a valk uses its buff without people gettin it its a huge opportunistic cost for her team. theres no going around it.

    10% crit might not be huge, but for strong hitters on some classes that are crit starved (like cataclysm, voltaic, etc) everything helps.
    20% mspeed - doesnt matter what classes have this buff, 20% move speed is 20% move speed non the less. dont see how it can be bad having it as oppose to NOT having it.

    anyway, i cant see why are we even discussing these things when all my posts were about was about correcting the guy that seems to think valks suck at group utility which is simply not true. that is for sure one thing on the class that is not lacking.
     
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  19. Legacina

    Legacina Valkyrie 63 EU

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    Well just gave my opinion as usual.

    Never said shes useless. But far from fine. When we look at other classes never really having issues.

    No iframe, no strong block, no easy and good disengage. But people expect her to survive big fights
    Meanwhile witchzards, zerkers, guardians and whatever else there is winks at you from far away while you struggle to even move 2 meters and then die miserably
     
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  20. Kyraios

    Kyraios Sagaris Valkyrie NA

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    Exactly this. Everyone says not to compare to witch/wiz/guardian when awakened Valkyrie feels like their bastard child. He doesnt understand because he hasnt played Valkyrie. The range on her utilty renders it practically useless. They have to be VERY close to you to receive the buffs. Her utility is good for.. just her. Yes other people can be affected by it, but ive never once in my life been told to stack for valk buffs. Rather its always stack for wiz witch buffs.

    Then theres guardian who hilariously has everything Valk mains have only dreamed about:

    Low cd true iframe side dash? Check

    Iframe on the skill thats a drastically better enslar(infernal nemesis)? Check

    Can pump out protected damage without needing to set up with an unprotected skill(not only that but she ALSO gains crit damage whenever she lands abilities!)? Check

    Pre awakened block is as strong as awakened block? Check

    Protected CC? Check.


    The best part about this is that Valkyrie mains dont want everything listed above. Just maybe a few of these changes.. and i guarantee you, it would satisfy 90% of the Valkyrie community. Whats left of us that is.
     
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