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Summer life skill bundle is rigged as hell

Discussion in 'General Gameplay' started by Sunnis, Jul 30, 2019.

  1. WoollyWitch

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    I don't understand why you would buy a gamble in the first place. Purchasing these items will only make companies further want to force them on people. Boycott the loot boxes and the companies will have second thoughts. Even if you dont mind gambling your money, whats the point in complaining when you knew what was going to happen? 16k pearls is around 160 dollars. I don't know your earnings but that is quite a lot of money to throw away. I ask you to be wiser with your spending choices in the future if you don't want to further anger yourself.
     
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  2. Itago

    Itago Witch 62 EU

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    Would it come as a shock to you to learn that the outcome is decided when you start spinning and NOT when it ends?
    What you see on the spinning wheel is just the possible outcomes, not how "many chances" you have for each.

    Just look at the boxes from rift bosses, they are not all covered with cron stones, and you can actualy see DUO accessories there (quantity of each item based on chance would mean DUO is higly unlikely to show up)
     
  3. Mimimimi

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    when the outcome is decided is just an irrelevant technical detail.
    please refrain from explaining to me how a computer is used instead of a little korean spinning the wheel.
    the point is that the used metaphor suggests a different behavior. yes, that's not the only place where a spinning wheel animation is used. it's problematic for cs items as money is directly attached.
     
  4. t4mpel

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    I was always to forbid real money gamble here and any other games. You know usually gamble halls in RL are mostly hidden and have a strictly 18+ policy? Cause the gouvernments knows people can become greedy really fast and some lost their homes cause they didnt know to stop. Ofc its not the case here, but this is just to much. In EU at least belgium got that and you can't buy it from there.
     
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  5. SnuffleBunnykins

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    Random loot boxes are a cynical practice that make customers lose confidence in a company. Customers should feel good about spending their money with a business. It's obvious the polar bear is the only thing that makes that package worth buying. Every time someone buys it and doesn't get a bear, unless they need the other pets, they have thrown their money away. You don't have to make people feel that way many times before they will simply quit.

    Although it makes more money in the short term, because a person might fancy their odds, it should be a principle of monetization not to make a customer feel bad for spending money with you. Sell the polar bears for £50 each, and that's fairer.

    I'm not saying this because I'm salty and have bought RNG boxes. I haven't bought any RNG boxes in this game -- unless you count breeding reset coupons, which is money for potatoes, mostly. It's just that the climate is very negative towards these sorts of practices for good reason. That someone out there is bound to throw money at these in hopes of getting the one thing they were after doesn't make it right. The OP spent all that cash and now just feels bad and stupid. If you went to a restaurant and paid top dollar for a meal and left feeling like that, you'd never go back.
     
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  6. zhagsten

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    "Not available in Belgium" isn't to punish Belgian players. That's because Belgium protects players. Take the hint.
     
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  7. Itago

    Itago Witch 62 EU

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    Dont need to explain how a computer is used, i explain why its not realistic to have a visual representation of the chances on the spinning wheel.
    The wheel is nothing more than a fancy animation for something that is "just the same" as opening a weapon box (get the item as soon as you open the box)

    Maybe they should just remove all the fancy animation thingies, characters should have 0 animations and skills should just have a text above the character telling you what skill they are using...
     
  8. WoollyWitch

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    One issue with people spending wisely in games is the fact most of them are quite young and easily exploitable. They can do the same thing over and over, still feel bad, but still continue to do it because of a chance of a good reward. Thats another reason lootboxes disgust me so much. It preys on the young or weak minded. I still think it was incredibly not smart for the person who started the forums to spend that much money on a gamble, but at the same time I cant help but feel bad for people who fall into these traps as well. Gambling addiction is a real and serious thing.
     
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  9. Mimimimi

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    you just don't get the point. that's okay.
     
  10. SnuffleBunnykins

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    This is true, very true. I am old and cynical, so I don't need to be burned many times before I learn my lesson. Of course, the sunk cost fallacy keeps the money flowing for a while. The high of getting something you want after lots of disappointment is also a very real thing. I've mostly been a lifeskiller (horse trainer) and even enhancing my weapons feels like gambling to me - I have over 3k hours ingame but crappy gear as I continually breed potatoes. Anyway, when I got my weapon to TET yesterday, my brain had a dopamine party. The joys of intermittent reinforcement - all well and good until your high comes from wads and wads of cashola.
     
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  11. Motoko_Shi

    Motoko_Shi DarkKnight 62 NA

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    You can just breed it with other limited or whatever and also use Wizard Gosphy.
     
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  12. Kubla

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    Interesting, might have to try that.
     
  13. Phoenixxx75

    Phoenixxx75 Lahn 61 NA

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    So you let them scam you into helping to inflate their player base. I want a hedgehog but until I can buy it direct from the market place just like any other pet I will go without. **** their scummy business practices.
     
  14. Lord_Xenon

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    I don't give a f* to the visualls to be honest. I just count the results you get out of it in total. It works the same for slot machines.

    I agree that the seed is irrelevant, when your sample is big enough. But you don't know when your sample is big enough except by extrapolate it to give you an average. But this is followed by an error margin(You know how to calculate that? I would want to know - personal curious no attack towards you). So without knowing the table(code in drop % etc.) you can only make guess, which are dependent on the seed, which can be extrem in some situations.

    So I hope you understand, that I agree to your point that the seed is irrelevant, but hope you agree that it's still a factor in the beginning of creating a sample size to average the table's content.
     
  15. Myntiix

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    Lol youre missing out. Who cares about numbers? Game is populated. You should probably stop using the word "scam" because clearly dont know how or when to use it or what it even means.
     
  16. Mimimimi

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    actually, we can't know if there even is a seed :>

    extrapolation of a sample has no statistical relevance. i'm not sure how to make sense of that idea. if you duplicate your sample size you would just incorrectly assume that we got the same values twice and skew the correctness of the model. when a confidence measure depends on the sample size duplicating samples skews the confidence measure.

    in statistics you typically assume a model and adapt it to your data. the model is a distribution function and you need estimates to compute the model parameters for a given sample. e.g.: assuming a normal distribution you can compute mean and variance model a distribution. to measure how accurate your model is you can compute confidence intervals, as the name says it estimates how confidently we can say that our model is correct. depending on the model different tests can be used to compute such confidence intervals. (search for t-test to find the confidence intervals of a normal distribution)

    in this case we would rather need a test if the sample is equally distributed. i think the kolmogorov-smirnov test can be used for that (not sure, it's been a while).
     
  17. Phoenixxx75

    Phoenixxx75 Lahn 61 NA

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    I have my reasons for not supporting this garbage. If I want something I will buy it but I do not buy any bundle and I will not buy the game again so that they can say they have an extra player. You do not care about this opinion so you go buy the game for yourself over and over until you get your t4 hedgehog and t4 polar bear. I will just go without until I can buy it direct from the cash shop.
     
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  18. TheYoda

    TheYoda TheJedi Tamer 62 NA

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    Money Talks, If you want them To Stop the RNG Pearl Shop BULLSH*T, then STOP SPENDING MONEY ON THE CASINO.

    Put your Wallet down and walk TF away from the Comp if you have too.
     
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  19. Vanadiel

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    As a Belgian, I can support this. Although it does not affect me, I am with them.
     
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  20. Phoenixxx75

    Phoenixxx75 Lahn 61 NA

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    I wish my country, Australia would follow the Belgians.
     

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