A few months ago to the present I have been grinding with a friend, his sis, another friend, and his friend. Let's call them friend A, B, C, and D. I'll be E. Friend B got a Garmoth drop back when they were meaningful and TET ogre ring more recently. She was quite far ahead. Friend A shortly after this got a TET ogre ring, thereby catching up to his sis in gear. Friend C then got a TET Blackstar enabling him to stay within the same gear score to A and B. Friend D couldn't get his gear above 200 for months now, thereby being forced out playing together with us. E: during this time 1. used a TET Nouver worth 1,500,000,000 silver to make a failstack of 118 2. used a 7,000 cron stones 3. attempted to upgrade a TRI BS to TET Failed. (7,000 cron stones) (2,000,000 silver per stone) = 14,000,000,000 ... the cost of the item. Friend A and B have "moved on" from our party because your stupid loot system won't reward us equal loot for re-equal time and/or begins to punish people for fighting creatures after their AP gets beyond a certain point. Friend C can no longer group with friend D (though they came to the game together) for the same reason. We attempted to repair the damage to our group by grinding different locations in pairs. You nerfed loot tables in dungeons like Pila Ku so that two people grouping are punished for going together. - Every time you do this we think less of you. - Giant dungeon capable of housing many groups of players. We are forced to solo it because YOU. The Nouver downgraded from a 1,500,000,000 silver item to a 500,000,000 item. I got one click out of it. One. That's 11.8 days grinding for me to recover for a +6 gain to the failstacks. 7,000 cron stones = 20 premium outfits. 20 premium outfits is 335,000,000 x 20 = 6,700,000,000. I make 1 billion silver about every 11 days. You just cost me a 73.7 gap between may friends and myself. - this is why your loot and PvE situation are terrible. We do understand this system exists to keep the game health. So, why don't also keep your players' friendships healthy? - You won't make content we can play together with our friends. - You design the loot tables to punish us for playing with our friends (we did a five person group the other night and the loot went to crap). Thanks. - Bought an MMO to play with friends. Forced to play solo. \o/ - you couldn't give us even an item worth silver after a certain amount of fails / crons on an item has happened? That way we don't end up permanently separated from our friends? If you are too lazy to make content we can play together and so malicious as to keep making the loot tables force us apart could you at least have enough respect for the human heart to do that? It's just a carrot on a stick. We'll lose it. Don't worry. When we discovered that grinding in pair was denied to us when it worked just a few months ago we picked up another person. Maybe we could make Mirumoks work? It seemed to since this person had less gear than us and we were going to get ahead any time soon with our gear. Nope. Didn't work. RNG shot him through from mixed TET to full TET in barely any time at all. Mostly now I grind with one other person. He wants to grind with me. I want to grind with him, but his gear is 290 AP and I'm 243. The next regions want 280 AP. I just used up all of my resources. Exactly how long do I have left before I'm not going to be allowed by this stupid game and its stupid loot system to play with my friends? You designed this idiocy. You answer that question. It's your stupidity. You have something against friendships. Why do you do this? Aren't games supposed to be about fun? If PvP is supposed to be competitive why is PvE supposed this solo-experience? So anyway... You don't have to be like this, you know? You could go reference games like Dark Age of Camelot where there are creature locations called Camps and people Camp the creatures to get loot TOGETHER. Camps that haven't been killed for awhile give extra exp. It's called a Camp Bonus. Some creatures give lots of exp. Some creatures give lots of Salvage Loot (loot you rip apart for other loot). There's no punishment for who you bring or what gear they have. You have friends. You can play together. You could do this. You refuse. Why? You really are inconsiderate. - You do not understand (or maybe you do), but you have declared war on friendship. I thought you ought to know.