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[ The Gear | Friend ] Divide - The War on Friendship {cont.}

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by Belle Atwell, Feb 5, 2020.

  1. Belle Atwell

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    A few months ago to the present I have been grinding with a friend, his sis, another friend, and his friend. Let's call them friend A, B, C, and D. I'll be E.

    Friend B got a Garmoth drop back when they were meaningful and TET ogre ring more recently. She was quite far ahead.

    Friend A shortly after this got a TET ogre ring, thereby catching up to his sis in gear.

    Friend C then got a TET Blackstar enabling him to stay within the same gear score to A and B.

    Friend D couldn't get his gear above 200 for months now, thereby being forced out playing together with us.

    E: during this time
    1. used a TET Nouver worth 1,500,000,000 silver to make a failstack of 118
    2. used a 7,000 cron stones
    3. attempted to upgrade a TRI BS to TET
    Failed.
    (7,000 cron stones) (2,000,000 silver per stone) = 14,000,000,000 ... the cost of the item.

    Friend A and B have "moved on" from our party because your stupid loot system won't reward us equal loot for re-equal time and/or begins to punish people for fighting creatures after their AP gets beyond a certain point.

    Friend C can no longer group with friend D (though they came to the game together) for the same reason.

    We attempted to repair the damage to our group by grinding different locations in pairs. You nerfed loot tables in dungeons like Pila Ku so that two people grouping are punished for going together.
    - Every time you do this we think less of you.
    - Giant dungeon capable of housing many groups of players. We are forced to solo it because YOU.

    The Nouver downgraded from a 1,500,000,000 silver item to a 500,000,000 item. I got one click out of it. One.
    That's 11.8 days grinding for me to recover for a +6 gain to the failstacks. 7,000 cron stones = 20 premium outfits. 20 premium outfits is 335,000,000 x 20 = 6,700,000,000. I make 1 billion silver about every 11 days.

    You just cost me a 73.7 gap between may friends and myself.
    - this is why your loot and PvE situation are terrible.

    We do understand this system exists to keep the game health. So, why don't also keep your players' friendships healthy?
    - You won't make content we can play together with our friends.
    - You design the loot tables to punish us for playing with our friends (we did a five person group the other night and the loot went to crap). Thanks.
    - Bought an MMO to play with friends. Forced to play solo. \o/
    - you couldn't give us even an item worth silver after a certain amount of fails / crons on an item has happened? That way we don't end up permanently separated from our friends? If you are too lazy to make content we can play together and so malicious as to keep making the loot tables force us apart could you at least have enough respect for the human heart to do that? It's just a carrot on a stick. We'll lose it. Don't worry.

    When we discovered that grinding in pair was denied to us when it worked just a few months ago we picked up another person. Maybe we could make Mirumoks work? It seemed to since this person had less gear than us and we were going to get ahead any time soon with our gear. Nope. Didn't work. RNG shot him through from mixed TET to full TET in barely any time at all.

    Mostly now I grind with one other person. He wants to grind with me. I want to grind with him, but his gear is 290 AP and I'm 243. The next regions want 280 AP. I just used up all of my resources. Exactly how long do I have left before I'm not going to be allowed by this stupid game and its stupid loot system to play with my friends? You designed this idiocy. You answer that question. It's your stupidity. You have something against friendships. Why do you do this? Aren't games supposed to be about fun? If PvP is supposed to be competitive why is PvE supposed this solo-experience? So anyway...

    You don't have to be like this, you know? You could go reference games like Dark Age of Camelot where there are creature locations called Camps and people Camp the creatures to get loot TOGETHER. Camps that haven't been killed for awhile give extra exp. It's called a Camp Bonus. Some creatures give lots of exp. Some creatures give lots of Salvage Loot (loot you rip apart for other loot). There's no punishment for who you bring or what gear they have. You have friends. You can play together. You could do this. You refuse. Why?

    You really are inconsiderate.
    - You do not understand (or maybe you do), but you have declared war on friendship.

    I thought you ought to know.
     
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  2. Lord_Xenon

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    Enhancing with no backup and then Q.Q about losing power = Fail.
     
  3. ChoeChoeTrain

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    But that's the best way to enhance tho :^)
     
  4. Kynreaa

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    The crons were the back up...Without the cash shop, how long do you think it would have taken him to fail 13 Black star TeT attempts? Perhaps years.
    If he did it your way, it would have taken around 2 years and he would have gone through 13 pri stacks, and 13 duo stacks, and failed 13 times anyway used x150 + the mats, would have cost him perhaps 20 times more as well. Then just had a few pri paperweights still stuck at tri, and behind.

    Not only that, he may never have gotten another blackstar back up to tri anyway....
     
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  5. Lord_Xenon

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    Just double at max. When you fail at math you shouldn't do it really. You are one of the reasons why 'P2W' is so 'strong' in this game.
     
  6. Kynreaa

    Kynreaa DarkKnight 62

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    No it would not be "just double".
    And I fail at math?
     
  7. Belle Atwell

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    Actually, I used three years worth of saved up outfits so technically - for me - it was three years worth of outfits I used in a desperate attempt to make my gear let me stay relevant to my friends and this stupid looting system.

    Besides, Enhancing with or without backups is pretty pointless.

    The whole "the game is pay to win" vs. "you should have backups" arguments are ignorant.

    You get pearls for free in this game if you play long enough. They give out practically everything you could ever want from the Pearl Shop eventually. After buying the base game you've basically bought the account. Once you've bought the account you aren't obligated to buy a single thing more than you are going to play with. This means that unless you are going to PLAY that part of the content you don't need the rest of the pearl shop what so ever.

    The whole point of the Pearl Shop is A) to keep the game servers paid for B) to let the company make money
    - every single "the game is pay to win argument" argues from B like some idiot Socialist that imagines if people just added positive numbers to their bank account there wouldn't be negative numbers in the amount of gold left on the planet. Meanwhile they cancel the space programs where we could be mining EIGHT other unoccupied DEAD planets no one gives a crap about. It's all asinine.

    Our grandparents walked on the moon. We debate about how to imaginary into existence non-existent resources.

    Meanwhile, issue A is never discussed and never factored for so my sympathies or empathizes for your argument about how best to gamble to arrive at imagery moments to success to this particular version of a time-gate is exactly the amount of consideration you gave to your argument - ZERO.

    I've ground most of my gear. I waited three years for them to add the Central Market because I'm fundamentally opposed to gambling to get ahead.

    You have a 10% chance to fail no matter what you do with Enhancement.

    That means Enhancing is gambling and gambling is always to the House's favor. The House, in this case, is Kakao and then Pearl respectively.

    I'm perfectly fine buying little cosmetics here or there. However, as few of them as there are in the game leaves most of the Pearl Shop a "functional purchase". If you are spending more than $250 dollars a year on this game then you are spending more than $15 a month for a paid subscription in another game. If you are paying less than someone is paying for your server time besides you. Consider that when you make these sorts of arguments in the future. You'll find less contempt for your statements.

    As for Crons or not to Cron? I don't know. Have a look at this:
    http://grumpygreen.cricket/bdo-failstack-chart/

    By the time you reach that 6% chance to be 50% for your TRI Black Star (whose acronym is BS by the way) to reach TET you'll have paid for a TET. This is why people who can math laugh at people who claim they can math.

    You're asking us to go Gamble our TIME (lives) on a game mechanic that allows us to randomly keep up with our friends "whenever" it feels like it. How little respect for your personal life you must have that you will put that much RL LIFE into the same amount of time I will spend grinding as you will spend Gambliing only to conclude in a chance at progress when you are done while I will 100% pass to a higher grade of gear in about ... 80 days.

    The point of this post is not to say "Oh woe as me. The Enhancement system didn't let me pass. Cry cry."

    The point of the post is I'd just like somewhere to go with my friends to beat up creatures for a few hours in an action combat game, get some reward for it that makes everyone WANT to do it again TOGETHER and not have to piss around with our gear score, stupid contradictory loot tables, and all the other hassle that is PvE in this game.

    And that's my point. You either came to play a game or came to chase a carrot on a stick. I could not care less about my gear score, but I do care if for 80 days I am going to NOT be able to play with my friends because Pearl Abyss is too lazy to make PvE content that PERMITS five people to group together in a GAME.

    You can warp that answer into whatever angry delusional sentiment floats your boat.
     
  8. Cal Reveraster

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    So I'm gonna be that guy and make a few points:

    1.) If your friends found it more important to grind and move on without you instead of playing with you, it isn't the game waging war on your friendships.

    2.) If you don't like the gearing methodology, then really the best suggestion is to move to a game that doesn't do that, as tons are available that are more direct with their gear progression. Korean MMOs are traditionally not, and BDO really isn't much different. You said in your most recent post that you're fundamentally against gambling, which is fine, but your argument here is akin to saying "I'm against gambling!" and then entering a casino, losing, and being upset that they didn't give you better odds. Don't get me wrong, I get where you're coming from - but the reality is that the game is literally built on this system. We, as players, have the power to show them that it's wrong by not participating in their products when their business methods take a turn towards something you don't approve of.

    3.) The system isn't bad, you just don't like it. And that's fine. You also have reasons for not liking it which, to you, make it bad. That's also fine. But that makes it bad relative to you, not objectively bad. Many people enjoy it and you'll find that those people will answer your post with recommendations on how to use the system better. Others will just rant. But regardless, the system is what it is, and a lot of people enjoy it.

    My two cents: a more traditional MMO with direct gear progression is probably more up your alley. But you don't have to take my word for it, and I'm not telling you what to do. Just making a recommendation.
     
  9. Lord_Xenon

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    When I'm mistaken then show it to me. Just to get it right: We speak about croning right?
     
  10. ۜSиσω

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    The comments about failstacking and progression kind of derailed this thread.

    The main issue is that there's very limited activities to do with friends that are lower geared without a huge penalty.

    Until your lower geared friends can do mirumok you don't really have any way to grind together.

    I would like to see group loot enabled for 2 or 3 total party members at places like fogans, pollies, nagas, pila etc. this will make griefing less of an issue too since instead of dueling for a rotation you can team up, it would bring the community closer together.
     

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