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TRI BS > PEN Kzaka C20 in PVE-Awake

Discussion in 'General Gameplay' started by WaifuJanna, Jul 31, 2020.

  1. WaifuJanna

    WaifuJanna WaifuJanna Witch EU

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    Since people asked me "What is better TRI BlackStar or PEN Kzarka C20 if i only play awakening anyways?" i did the test.

    But first we do the math:

    Pen BlackStar: 134 AP + 48 Mob AP
    Pen Kzarka C20: 134 AP + 15 Mob AP
    Tri BlackStar: 117 AP + 21 Mob AP


    When using awakening 30% of Mainhand AP is converted (AP brackets doesnt matter) while the Mob AP gets global applied (same as kutum mob ap):

    Pen BlackStar: + 40.2 AP + 48 AP -> 88 AP bonus on awakening
    Pen Kzarka C20: +40.2 AP + 15 Mob Ap -> 55 AP bonus on awakening
    Tri BlackStar: +35.1 AP + 21 Mob Ap -> 56 Ap Bonus on awakening

    As you see TRI BlackStar has 1 AP More in Awakening then PEN Kzarka C20!!!



    Now we do the ingame test (GlobalLab has dmg numbers):

    ~1210 dmg
    pen-BS.gif

    ~1082 dmg
    pen-kzaka-c20.gif

    ~1112 dmg

    tri-bs.gif

     
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  2. WhySoSeeryus

    WhySoSeeryus Wizard 63 EU

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    tri bs accuracy sux compared to c20 kz tho.
     
  3. Allan1985

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    cause BS is PvE weapon
     
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  4. WaifuJanna

    WaifuJanna WaifuJanna Witch EU

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    accurcy doesnt matter in pve if u are level 60 on witch/wizard, u have like 10/20/30% acc modifiers on any skill. i have 99% hitrate agains the 300 ap golems in odylitta which are level 65 with just 340 acc.
     
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  5. WhySoSeeryus

    WhySoSeeryus Wizard 63 EU

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    u dont use only awaken spells for pve tho.
    but ok, generally, bs is a great pick for some awaken classes, true. and def if u dont pvp, bis.
     
  6. LithicForm

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    Good to know for succession I guess
     
  7. Denthors

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    Could you do me a favor, can you test, awakening, c20 offin tet with nouver and with kutum
    awakening pen BS with nouver and with kutum
     
  8. Luminosity

    Luminosity Valkyrie 62

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    And doing this "test" on a full pen everything character makes how much sense? Since the people that are interested in this comparison are full pen? Or are they more like full tri? I wonder. Since the lower the GS the lower your overall accuracy.
    With lower accuracy Kzarkas higher accuracy will become more relevant.
     
  9. WaifuJanna

    WaifuJanna WaifuJanna Witch EU

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    full pen test to show that ap brackets doesnt matter later.
     
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  10. ManlyBeard

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    Yea, just because it has 2 less species ap than kzarka or offin, lul.

    Blackstar is overall just more efficient, despite the steeper curve to get it pen.
     
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  11. Luminosity

    Luminosity Valkyrie 62

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    It does not make any sense to compare 2 items of which one is only worth 3 billion when the entire rest of the gear is worth several hundred billion. And once you go over a certain accuracy value you will have 100% hitrate anyway making the accuracy advantage kzarka has over blackstar obsolete, thus making this test obsolete.
    This "test" is obsolete anyway as you compare a 3 billion with a 100 billion item. And I wonder who those people are that ask such questions and further why they would ask the selfproclaimed worst witch EU instead of literally any random person they can find on the server.
    Whats next? What does more dmg in PvP Pen Kutum C20 or Tri Nouver?

    A comparison does not make sense when one of the two options is out of reach for the player asking it. He can not get C20 Kzarka anyway.
     
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  12. Luminosity

    Luminosity Valkyrie 62

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    The point is, yes while Pen Blackstar is hand down the best weapon and the tiny PvP dmg it is missing compared to Kzarka C20 does not matter, it is almost unobtainable for you.
    The far smarter choice, especially for succ builds is having a Kzarka with some decent caphras like 7, 9 or 11 giving you a clear edge in PvP over a Tet BS, while still being decently affordable.
    Even at 2 billion income a day you would almost wait 2 months with no progression at all for a Pen BS.
    Blackstar is something you can go if you PvE a lot and do not need a lot of preawaken skills for PvP. Since the main issue will be that you are stuck with Tet for a while. Unless you are at around 700GS I do not see the point in saving so much money for that.
     
  13. Allan1985

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    emmmmm...no??? it because it has +48 extra damagevs monsters that nor kazrka neither offin have
     
  14. Tronkun

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    Then if accuracy doesn't matter, pen offin c20 is better than kzarka end of discusión in pve?
     
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    maybe for current pve options but from what I hear, newer end game mobs have high evasion? (word of mouth)
     
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    Not viable as a sorc since you can't stay in awake 100% of the time
     
  17. ManlyBeard

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    Yea no shite sherlock, but that doesn't mean it's not a viable option for PvP ...
     
  18. Arch2k

    Arch2k Devil_Monkeys Lahn 63 NA

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    Hearing the same thing but I think that's only the dark cave which is like the 310 spot
     
  19. Kargor

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    Do the test again and count your misses as an succession witch. Oh wait, you cannot see you misses, even on Global Lab.
     
  20. Allan1985

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    then express yoursefl properly; "yea, just because it has 2 less species ap than kzarka or offin, lul."

    its is not optimal since you sacrifice a lot of accuracy so any high end evasion build player would take less damage from you in comparison to using a kzarka.
     

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