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Underwater ruins was a flop

Discussion in 'General Gameplay' started by KampersOwnedYou, Jun 25, 2019.

  1. KampersOwnedYou

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    so basically the new underwater area is rubbish based on the fact that you need pay to win items to get there comfortably and that the silver and exp is nothing special. Also travelling time to get there and back is long along with there being no bank or market place there. Also the new area stars end currently a massive flop due to being way too difficult for most and dropping no accessories. What do you think ? Will they ever revamp these areas or do something to make them better ?
     
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  2. Denthors

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    no, they are making a 310 ap 400 dp one
     
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  3. Hearts

    Hearts Valkyrie 62 EU

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    I don't have any p2w item, never bought a single artisan memory but I can grind there, so...

    And Star's End will be more interesting once they introduce the new accessory.

    This game needed more endgame grind zone and they added it. And they are revamping most grind zone too like Fadus, Polly, etc.
     
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  4. KampersOwnedYou

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    The underwater area you need underwater breathing potions by the truck load or that shark suit to swim faster. You can’t make it down there if you don’t use one of these. Also distance is a big thing.
    The stats end - I’ve heard about that item. Hope it will be worth it.
    But most players are mid range in gear so can’t even go to these endgame areas.
    They need to balance the game better so players can go there
     
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  5. Hearts

    Hearts Valkyrie 62 EU

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    No. All players shouldn't be able to go in high end spot because it is a high end spot. When you reach a certain gear you need a lot more money to improve so it's only logical to give the best area to the best gear, and if every 500 gs can grind there the area become too crowded and it's a nightmare. But we do need a better transition between gahaz/manshaum and aakman/hystria.

    And no you don't need underwater breathing potion or shark suit to go to sycraia abyssal, there is a npc that give you swimming buff that allows you to go there.
     
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  6. 2Cents

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    I stated the answer years ago and it hasn't changed. Pearl Abyss literally has 100's of employees, but they are unwilling to hire the right people.
    • If they hired the right people obviously new content releases would be viable upon release
    • Ergo, their development team and management team are severely lacking and they need an internal employee audit
    This is not the common standard in most games. In fact in the past it was nearly unheard of.

    It's so simple: Proper tracking tools are needed to evaluate silver/exp per hour on live servers. This random guess and speculation garbage they are doing is horrible and not even close. Some of the areas are so bad even having a top gear score can't resolve the issue.

    These tools would give accurate detailed information to properly balance areas.
     
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  7. Alterist

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    • Potions: +15 secs
    • Craftable appearance helmet: +20 secs
    • Shoe crystals: +30 secs
    • Tingling Breath: Up to +30 secs, but randomly obtained.
    • 5 minute buff: +59% swimming speed (20 Energy, next to the Marni Stone NPC on Iliya Island iirc)
    You can also go back into Character Screen or change channels to get full breath again.

    No cash shop item is necessary to get there, nor do you need any consumable item. And unless you leave every few minutes, the short swimming section without fish/shark suit shouldn't be an issue either.
     
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    The main problem with EVERY game designer is they are happy to have their game world mostly full of empty areas because they don't do the very simple thing of balancing effort with reward. If it ain't worth it nobody will go there (more than once for the knowledge/quests).
     
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  9. Angar

    Angar Angar Archer 61 EU

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    You dont need either breathing potions nor shark suit to go there.
    When your breath is at 25% go back to char selection and back to your character. Keep diving and repeat 1 or 2 more times and you ll be there.
    Also there is the griffon from velia that flies up to the island next to it.

    And the way i understand it, in areas like aakman, hystria and sycraia you are supposed to park there your main if you plan to grind a lot.
    Assuming at least that you have spread your lifeskills on various alts and dont have an archeologists map
     
  10. TeRRoRibleOne

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    Umm, I'm pretty positive they gave everyone a free item specially for diving last year..... oh wait, they did https://bddatabase.net/us/item/18999/
     
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    Whats so hard about getting to the new area?

    Have you guys never tried to grind in hystria?
     
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  12. Smileybones

    Smileybones Ranger 62 NA

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    As other people already explained, you're totally wrong, either because ignorant of free alternatives or because you're pushing the official forum religion.
     
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  13. Claydough

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    The game is almost less p2w now simply because of how easy it is to progress now with the cm, steady accessory supply and sheer silver per hour rate you can get now, even with beginner gear

    The thought of p2w being the only way get good gear in rediculous
     
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  14. 2Cents

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    Spoken like a soft cap casual. In order to really compete you are going to need a lot more then that. You can compete without cash, but it's going to take hardcore grinding, exploiting mechanics like SMH or flat out cheating.

    That also doesn't make it any less P2W. The fact that a poorly skilled casual could destroy over 98% of the player base by simply applying a credit card makes it totally P2W.
     
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  15. Dryed

    Dryed Warrior 63 NA

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    There is a swimming speed buff for 20 energy, gets you right underwater without a sweat. Also nobody goes there so its nice and uncontested with super fast spawn. I love it.
     
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  16. Smileybones

    Smileybones Ranger 62 NA

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    So people under 600 gs don't count because they don't compete with anyone amirite.

    Grats for once again trying to make people believe that %ers issues are everyone's issues.
     
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  17. 2Cents

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    Since you don't actually play the game I'll try to illustrate how it works for you.

    PlayerX moves into your area --- Get Rekk'd son ...........it's a PVP game

    If PlayerX has a superior gear score, said player will attempt to drain your HP and chain CC you into mobs.
    What a lovely atmosphere Pearl Abyss & Kakao have created.
     
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  18. Phoenixxx75

    Phoenixxx75 Lahn 61 NA

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    How about eso and guild wars2 way with all zones scaling to the players level? Would that work here in bdo?
     
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  19. Smileybones

    Smileybones Ranger 62 NA

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    Stopped reading there as I addressed that point already (read: roasted you) and for the rest you probably will dodge everything I said.
     
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    That has never worked on me, lol.
     

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