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Upcoming Archer changes

Discussion in 'PvP' started by 2Cents, Aug 4, 2019.

  1. 2Cents

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    Not only where these nerfs needed, here is a break down of the Archer design.

    Pearl Abyss did absolutely nothing right in the development of this class.

    • Unlike the previous classes it's the first real ranged class and they botched every aspect of it.
    • They gave it a near infinite spam of long range CC
    • They allow push back, knock down spam (with their worthless broken resist system: This is a system they have never been able to figure out). It's SIMPLE MATH and they just can't do it
    • The rate of fire is absurd allowing for long range combos
    • The damage is ridiculous along with other classes, but it's full range, not the fake grab range of most other classes.
    It's a disgusting mess full of abuse and constant cheese. There failed at every step, ever design, ever mechanic. However somehow they will keep their jobs and this will continue.

    Backstory: NCsoft created several other PVP games in Korea. Lineage II, Aion, etc. They have a history of complete failure for about 25 years now.

    It's time for some accountability. It's time to start firing the employees creating such poor quality products. The developers are fully aware of this mess. Their nerf months later is a confession that this trash has been it the game for months.

    A good quality team would have never released this to a live server.
    It's time to stand up and demand more.

    You don't keep a bank teller around that can't issue the right amount of cash, you don't keep an accountant that can't balance a check book. It's time to let them go and hire new people qualified and capable of real change.

    #makebdogreatagain
     
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  2. bloodpuddle

    bloodpuddle Lahn 62

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  3. 2Cents

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    It's ok if you don't want to stand up for yourself. If you don't want to enact change. You can sit there and do nothing each day. Just don't expect me to do the same ;)
     
  4. Dexo 2

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    Pa has no idea what they want from this game, everything they do to change the game is a complete failure. You cant make the game good when theres like 150 people working in pa for a game this big. They dont know how to balance and create good quality content, bacause they see money is just flowing and they think everything is fine as is. Why change a running system.
     
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  5. 2Cents

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    They did answer one old dilemma. It was known for several years there was no real ranged class in the game. That's why it's so easy to dash in and so OP to grab. A few skills have range, but they are slow casting and not really chain able.

    When PA actually made a ranged class it just exposed all the flaws in the core engine. You can't evade anything in the game. There are no projectiles. If an Archer shot a long range projectile that could be reasonably avoided you might have the actual start of a PVP game.

    However, this isn't the case. The animation simply hits a long range aoe box. It doesn't stop there though. All the trash of the designs piles on top each other. They gave them WAY to many CC's. The resists don't even work for the most part.

    People used to argue you need to get resists. They all got exposed as being absolute liars and worthless for the community. The resists didn't work at all and people just made up bull sht. It turned out every single hit of an attack had it's own chance to CC.

    This is on top of more garbage from pearl abyss. You might have a 20% base resist to grapple. However, many classes have a +30 land rate. So your base is actually -10% meaning you would never resist by default.

    I am glad to see people like you and other speak up though. If everyone just sits in silence about these issues there is even less chance anything will be done.
     
  6. Hekki

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    This class need alot more nerfs.
     
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  7. Artorias_Dusk

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    Rework resist, rework DP and add DP brackets aswell. That is what the game needs. Then fix the unbalanced dmg scalings, the broken SA on many skills. It's alot of work.
     
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  8. Myntiix

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    Maybe they should hire you, then you can fire all these so "incompetent" employes. Man, is bdo your life or why are you taking this **** so serious? I could imagine you sending them death threats. All of your 3380 posts are probably negative.
     
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  9. Ned Sheynji

    Ned Sheynji Sheynji 62 EU

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    No idea where this backstory is coming from.

    I havent played a lot of NCSoft except for Blade and Soul. Despite a not entirely perfect balancing 1v1 in Blade and Soul in its Arena is one of the best examples of Ladder PvP in an MMO i can think of. The only issue they have is hackers using destroyers but those are only in the very low ratings and are easily countered if you arent a complete potato. So NC Soft has good PvP, you just suck at it.

    And that has nothing to with Pearl Abyss. You can completely delete this one line of your OP. It is a totally unnecessary argument with no value for the actual point whatsoever which is Archer in BDO is OP.

    To which i say: no. In a small scale scenario Archers can be picked off easily. They just become powerful the less attention they get which is large scale. Thats the nature of ranged classes. Ranger with a bow out is the same. If you want to get rid of this issue you literally have to delete any ranged skills from the game.

    Also if you refer to the recent nerfs where Archer lost their CCs on Rabams then your argument loses even more of its value since Archer Rabams are **** and therefore rarely used if ever.
     
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  10. Kauni

    Kauni Archer 63 EU

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    Are you are referring to the global lab changes? Feel free to explain me how it was needed. Because as an archer main I am more than sure that these changes been made to drop the community a bone. These changes do not make sense nor do they affect anything why the community was crying about few archers.

    NA has issue with melee archers, the changes do not affect melee archer at all.
    EU has barely archers and no issues with melee archers. The changes affect 2 range combos (both rarely used) for 1vs1. 1vsX and large scale absolutely untouched.
     
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  12. Kauni

    Kauni Archer 63 EU

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    We have DP brackets. The only issue is people not knowing about that.
     
  13. Flesh007

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    They took one KD. Will be picked up soon second KD. And lemmings are all unhappy. :D
     
  14. Kauni

    Kauni Archer 63 EU

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    After the changes we got winged strike, glissade and 3x charged (q buffed) piercing light. If any potato gets ccd by that (in 1vs1), he should insta uninstall rofl...
    And if anyone thinks archer can spam KDs (or ever could) in large scale then they clearly never played siege and met all these Q buffed zerkers with perma spam of 1 skill with the actual perma KD.
     
  15. 2Cents

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    Yes
    • Flow: The effect of knockdown has been changed to Rigid when the Light of Indian technology is hit successfully.
    • ● Technology Enhancement: The explosive arrow skill has been changed so that the stiffness effect is only applied to PVEs when a strike is successful.
    • ● Technology Enhancement: The Knockdown effect has been changed to apply only to PVEs in the success of blowing of scattered non-techs.
    • • Knightback effect has been changed to apply only to PVE when the spirit of the element's bullet skill is struck successfully.
    The problems with Archer's where obscured by only having a small amount of high AP archers on the server. Apparently, not everyone wanted to re-roll for the 11th time.

    The range is essentially a failure for so many reasons. It's unfair to many other "pseudo ranged" classes. It's far to OP when combined with CC skills. Any changes to reduce the amount of CC is a good change.

    In the case of a high AP archer any CC = auto win.
    I'm not sure your opinion on this will matter if your bias is toward the class already.
     
  16. Kauni

    Kauni Archer 63 EU

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    It doesn't do anything as I mentioned earlier.

    The range affects archer more than anyone else. At this point it's 95% of time just a git gud issues not understanding how to use environment or willing to use it. The CCs that got removed so far did not change anything and this changes will not as well. To understand that it's needed to understand archer first. Most people don't, that's why they have an issue with archer. The people who did, had no issue even pre nerfs.
    Removing a CC doesn't make anything better if you don't understand when and why the CC is used.

    That's for every class, not just archer.

    You think I am biased, that's fine. I am willing and able to discuss anything in a constructive way anytime. I'd say it's needed to understand the class first and PvP in general before dropping any opinions tho.

    Do you think you can explain in a constructive way which skills of archer are too strong and why?
    Keep in mind that I am talking about somewhat constructive explanation and not just dropping stuff like "op damage", "everything is protected" etc... because that is not constructive and not true either. Also everything related to desync does not count since that affects every class.
     
  17. Dryed

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    They know exactly what they want ($$$$$) and they are getting it. So its not a failure in their eyes.

    PA did everything right with this class. They made it super powerful and made everyone to re-roll, which made them a tons of $$$$. They did exactly what they were suppose to and what they do with every class. If this brings hella $$$ to company, then why should they fire employees and devs lol?
     
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  18. Fake_Alice

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    any class with high (281+) AP any cc = auto win. archer can be "auto win"ed even without landing a CC.
     
  19. 2Cents

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    Wrong: WOW, Final Fantasy, and Path of Exile are doing things right. Pearl Abyss has not.

    Sorry, but if you created Star Wars, the Iphone, Windows and claimed success!!!! We made 5 MILLION Dollars!!!! Everyone would know that is a failure because the true value of these services/products are much more then that.

    Your argument is stale outdated and full of holes. You might want think up a new one.
     
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  20. Motoko_Shi

    Motoko_Shi DarkKnight 62 NA

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    It's just too bad you're such an insufferably bloviating attention fiend that you actually harm any effort to argue for critical changes the game needs.
     
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