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Discussion in 'General Gameplay' started by 2Cents, Jul 8, 2019.

  1. 2Cents

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    The new blood Altar is being released soon and the rewards look pretty intense. Valks/Silver/Caphra's, in large amounts. However, the entry fee is 100 Energy.
    • If I didn't know any better I would say this would "Coincidentally" dramatically increase the value of items like I don't know say for just for a random example Kama Blessing, that item Kakao said would not be put into the game directly because it was to P2W.
    Lets not stop there though. The higher level you achieve the more reward you gain. That's completely predicated upon your skill though, ooh and one other minor factor, your Gear Score. That might play a "little factor" in this.

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  2. Ben Phoenix

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    Are you ready to get vaporized?
     
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  3. Icywave

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    Yep energy potions in the pearl shop will be bought up in bulk to farm this game mode over and over unless there's a daily restriction on it.
     
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  4. 2Cents

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    If done correctly this concept could improve the game. However, there are many potential problems. The Korean videos show players will full PEN struggling through some of the higher areas.

    If the rewards are skewed heavily toward the highest levels it could create a funneling system. This would be lower players dumping off their energy via the market to be consumed by top players to get the highest efficiency/rewards. This would leave a devastating problem of only a few players really being able to use and enjoy the content.
     
  5. Nycroyse

    Nycroyse Nycroyse Ninja 61 EU

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    Another p2w content
     
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  6. fenzz

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    Arent you tierd of the doomsday prophesies by now?

    Scratch that. Muppets on this forum gubble that **** up..
     
  7. Fearless V

    Fearless V FearlessBeing Ranger 61 NA

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    Please tell me you are not surprised one bit.
     
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  8. Prochilles

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    What ate the facts that we know? Is kama required to get rewards? Is it possible to just buy infinite 'High-quality wine' and get infinite energy; does this method pay for itself if the rewards are that good?
     
  9. Blitzball

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    My last hope to have PEN gear. I hope droprate is decent this time :D
     
  10. BiSuu

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    why all of you care so much about this game ? this game will die sooner or later.
     
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  11. Sibyyl

    Sibyyl Heart Maehwa 63 NA

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    Thanks for your wonderful, detailed analysis BiSuu with 12 posts.
     
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  12. ghoulz666

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    It's just more lazy content pumped out from them. Dunno what skill oriented they were talking about. It's just a brain dead zerg dps race.

    Produce pve mode where the mobs ignore the players. Could have just made an arena where players just fight a couple powerful elites at a time where you'll have to actually learn to time your FGs and SA right rather than some garbage where you burn down mobs before they destroy something.
     
  13. BiSuu

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    so in this world how many posts you got is who you are ? don't be ridiculous....
    maybe for you this game is whole your life , but you need to know some people got friends , hobby and great life , only friend you got is your miserable.
     
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  14. Catastigma

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    night vendor is useless since a years.

    What you do with your energy ?
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  15. 2Cents

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    There are a lot of questions to be answered.
    • Is kama required to get rewards? : I saw no indication of this being a requirement like it was for other rewards. The problem with the Kama buff is simply that it would allow a lot more entries per day. This could easily be handled by limiting the Blood Altar to every 8 hours or 2 times per day.
    • Would it pay for itself? This would require a lot of data like Gear Score Req / Time to complete a stage / and Reward structure. There seems to be conflicting or unknown information on this. It stated something like +25 Caphra for stage 5, 50 million for stage 6. Are these one time bonus rewards? Other info states you get items per stage to buy what you want.
    The main point now is just to identify potential issues and put them together with the facts. Is this literally a massive P2W failure, or will it have reasonable limits?
     
  16. Alterist

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    Stage rewards (via Challanges, a.k.a. once per account):
    1. [Event] Perfume of Courage x3
    2. Advice of Valks (+20) x1
    3. Memory Fragment x10
    4. Advice of Valks (+30) x1
    5. Cron Stones x20
    6. Caphras Stone x20
    7. Gold Bar 100G x5
    8. Caphras Stone x50
    9. Advice of Valks (+100) x1
    Now tell us, how much do you make per hour without any of those rewards? As that will be the deciding factor unless someone wants to claim p2w for a 20M activity (note: Just a randomly chosen number).

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    It's also more than just 100 Energy, as that is simply to enter Altar of Blood. Each stage requires 20 Energy as well, but that is also just for a single player and you can change party leader in case one person runs dry.

    Let's take this video as reference: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/437983934?t=02h39m03s (Start of stage 1, ends 38m11s later after stage 5)

    Three players with 580+ Energy each, one player could start three rounds, lasting about 2 hours or 6 hours for all three together. Afterwards everyone can then do the RBF daily for additional 200 Energy each, adding another 2 hours. After 8 hours each of them would've recovered 140 Energy naturally, subtracting 20 Energy (1h) for the third run each of them had as they need 600 Energy for that, they have enough Energy to run another two times for over 9 hours without any cash shop item.

    If each of them has also full character slots, 17 alts would naturally regenerate about 2 XL Energy Potions per day, which would add another 100 Energy per player. Doing some dailies for 40 more (some Drieghan dailies gives 20 Energy back each), that would add over an hour yet again.

    The Energy requirement will on average also go down with further stages, as you won't have to spend the entry fee as often.

    And none of this takes into consideration how much you could otherwise make. Is the time better spend gathering? Should one grind instead? If I were to do activity X for Y silver per hour, would AoB's Y+10 (Kama Blessing only now, for assumptions) actually be worth it? Do I even find people for long enough to run out of Energy?
     
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  17. MoZex

    MoZex Musa 62 EU

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    Nop its gonna last another good 20 years

    Seriously though, cash shop might be flawed but it still offers way more than other traditional mmorpgs, fueling that addicition
     
  18. MMoNoob

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    why is it just 3 players though how is that considered group content blows my mind. at least 4 or 5 players would have been better
     
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  19. 2Cents

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    A better system: Allow players to successfully complete up to max stage once per day. Unlimited retries to increase their highest stage. Players may assist others in attempting lower stages, but would only receive benefits up to their max stage. This way players could, should they choose to do so keep attempting to push their max stage knowing failure wouldn't yield any benefits.

    This is a design for the consumer to enjoy the game. Not a design predicated on direct monetary value, aside from the fact that Gear Score would inherently yield higher results.

    Forcing one player to pay the additional Energy cost per level is very flimsy design and simply doesn't need to exist.

    What they have created is prone to either
    • It will be OP rewards for a few players
    • It will be nearly useless to everyone and ignored like most content patches
    Unless it's perfectly balanced those will probably be the outcomes, while that would NOT occur from my simple model.
     
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  20. Catastigma

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    The energy use can be a good way to avoid boter...
     

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