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Vote on the new cc system

Discussion in 'General Gameplay' started by ViktoryiaV, Apr 18, 2018.

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What is your opinion on the April 18 new cc system?

  1. I like it

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    12.3%
  2. I love it

    165 vote(s)
    13.3%
  3. I dislike it

    142 vote(s)
    11.5%
  4. I hate it

    779 vote(s)
    62.9%
  1. ViktoryiaV

    ViktoryiaV Valkyrie 62

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    This actually makes me sad, it's probably the one thing they've introduced to the game which made me frustrated enough to want to quit immediately. It feels like they just broke my class, the one I've stuck with all this time (since I purchased BDO, October 2016) and enjoyed playing immensely.

    I really didn't expect this change from the patch (nothing about it in KR patches or the maintenance announcement).

    Of course I'm putting thought into how to play my class differently now (valkyrie), because I actually want to learn how to play it again, but the game keeps crashing every 3 minutes for me so it's been difficult...

    CM Yukimura commented on the maintenance announcements thread, something about how the devs were interested in what we thought about the "new changes" and that they'd be sending constructive feedback from the comments section (do they really?), but don't quote me on that, I can't find the comment anymore (deleted, perhaps?).

    So in lieu of that, I'm setting up a 4 option vote. Perchance he will see it and this would give a fairly accurate snapshot of what the community thinks about the new cc system.

    Please feel free to leave further comments below (objective) in support of your voting choice

    *Edit 1: My preliminary thoughts are that this mostly just shortens cc chains and this ties in with the new ap dependency. I think I've got some new combo options for my own class but I'm going to need to enhance my nouver asap. My concern now is that other classes might not be so fortunate, this and damage disparity when comparing what sort of combos are possible - it's disheartening to see so many people from discords I'm in talking about rerolling or quitting. Wish everyone good luck with figuring it all out, it's going to be a tough week ahead

    *Edit 2: Using skills like frontal guards or super armour to avoid being cc-ed...is just going to take up cc limit. Classes might need to rely on iframes or blocking moreso than rotating skills (this just occurred to me, slow day). This isn't necessarily a nerf or an inconvenience, just a change of mechanics.

    *Edit 3: Please note you can change your vote anytime :)

    *Edit 4: I'm still trying to think of ways in which players of different classes can "poke damage" their opponents to lower hp before attempting to land a finish (without this taking up cc limit). I feel that if this system stays, they should change it from 1.using any skill with a cc will count it if it hits someone and does damage >2.the cc of that skill will only be counted IF it lands a cc.

    Using my own class as an example: counter+shield throw for poke..the stun on shield throw will count as a cc even if the opponent doesn't get stunned. Using celestial spear to buff your crit rate or animation cancel? The bound cc will be counted in your 2 of group limit even if the opponent is not bound.

    I'm sure other classes have examples from their own kits, this is something I do think needs revision.

    @CM Yukimura please read, take note of what's been said and the reactions here, and pass it along. And any sort of response from your team would go a long way :'(
     
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  2. Catastigma

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    Damn good.
     
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  3. Avonna

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    i will vote when the game stops crashing on me and i can play more the 5 minutes....
     
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  4. ambyentlight

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    the people who hated asura pvp channel will hate these changes and apparently thet is 99% of the playerbase.
     
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  5. Dalenos

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    Berserkers QQ on forums that they can't grab to win anymore it's hilarious lmao so I love it.

    :D:D:D
     
    #5 Dalenos, Apr 18, 2018
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  6. WhySoSeeryus

    WhySoSeeryus Wizard 63 EU

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    new cc systems seems better for classes that had less of them to start with. classes with more of them will probably have to adapt i guess.
     
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  7. Brightcide

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    Everyone has bitched for months since Arsha came out that the PvP system there sucks and that they needed to reimplement Val6, but instead they added Arsha-esque rules to all servers.

    I honestly wonder what their thought process behind this was. Pearl Abyss really needs a team of people that actually play to game to tell them when they're making piss-poor decisions that impact the entire playerbase, like testers or something.

    Oh wait...

    We're the testers.
     
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  8. Yuusayn

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    Working as intended
     
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  9. Mana_Mafia

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    Nobody should be voting because nobody has had enough time yet reach an informed conclusion.

    It's a big change, and it sounds interesting.

    I look forward to checking it in a few days when I get on opportunity to do so.
     
  10. Felyni

    Felyni Tamer 61 NA

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    I thought the top classes in pvp after changes (Via KR playerbase) were, Valk, Zerk,warr, Wiz/witch, Mystic being strongest? Or is that in regards to their most recent patch, now i'm confused.
     
  11. Rizzly

    Rizzly Berserker 62 EU

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    As a zerker I actually like it...You can still land a ton of cc locking them down. Sure grabs fail a lot now but any good zerker don't rely on grabs to win.
     
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  12. ViktoryiaV

    ViktoryiaV Valkyrie 62

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    that was perhaps to do with the DR bonuses which came from the renown score

    but

    in KR, they didn't get this new cc system. this really affects classes differently
     
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  13. Celensra

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    I think it's way too soon for me to vote on this. I do like the thought of not being endlessly grab chained my a Berserker though lol...but I am worried about my own combinations as well. If I weren't constantly being disconnected, I'd love to experiment a bit.
     
  14. AZzalor

    AZzalor EU

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    everyone cryed for pvp changes and to stop people from being able to easily cc chain and kill in one combo. this patch does exactly that, but now everyone complains again...people will never be happy.
     
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  15. sthammack57

    sthammack57 LedHammack Lahn 62 NA

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    test it with "stiffness"
     
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  16. ViktoryiaV

    ViktoryiaV Valkyrie 62

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    Classes have a different distribution of cc "types", some skills used as self buffs that also technically have a cc component, different cooldowns, it affects some negatively more than others.

    But yes, more experiment required, with my own class. All I know is, it's not equal for everyone.
     
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  17. WeaselPaw

    WeaselPaw Valkyrie 61 EU

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    On paper it looks like it needs to go back to standing & others cc while keeping grab in "other" category & keeping a cap on the number of cc you can chain.

    Would have to practice & see what kind of change they have for each classes before having a definitive "i like it or not" answer though.
     
  18. Celensra

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    I'm a Valkyrie and I'm very afraid lol...but I was a Mercy in Overwatch and I know some changes need to happen for the benefit of the game....also, I quit playing when they ruined my favorite character :D
     
  19. Raelik

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    Largely view it as work in progress.

    Tthis game needs less CC and less perma SA chaining, CC should be more like it was in preawakening imho. this change at face value blows up my Mystic CC chain and that's a good thing, the stiffness stuff needs looking at ofc but if this is the general direction to cut down CC then I'm all for it.
     
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    Ninja lmbo
     

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