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What feels like infinite mindless grinding is not Entertaining

Discussion in 'General Gameplay' started by SA1NT, Nov 9, 2017.

  1. AlnilamE

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    The thing is, if all you want is level, then nothing is really going to be entertaining. There is no max level in this game and the higher you go the longer it takes to level further.

    Like the folks in ESO who think that 10 hours of focused leveling to get an alt to level 50 is too boring, you will not be pleased with any suggestions other than an instant boost voucher.

    For some of us, levels are not the end all of the game. We do a variety of things and leveling is one of them (and sometimes it's just part of the other things we are doing). Is everything int he game 100% entertaining? No. There are days where I really don't want to tend to my crops. Or do a certain daily quest. But overall, I do things that I find interesting, and leveling to unlock new skills or higher skill levels is one of those things. I do it in moderation though, because there are so many other things to do.

    On the other hand, I'm not really interested in PvP, so being level 60+ with 500+ GS is not a priority for me, so YMMV.

    What I'm trying to say is that if all you care about is the end of the road, the road itself can be the most beautiful road in the world, you'll still complain about the journey.
     
  2. SA1NT

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    I know you may not see this response TarkusBlack but I'll post it anyway.
    Then why are you judging me for judging? You see, everyone judges. That isn't the issue. Sure I think I'm right. But let me ask you a question. Do you think you're right? So, if I say I'm right I'm arrogant. But when you say you're right, you're just right? Sorry that doesn't work. Why do you feel you're right and I'm wrong? I'll bet you can't answer that successfully because you have no foundation for comparison. Look, I'm voicing a known moral dilemma in the development of this game that should be addressed by the team. If they can justify it, I would like to hear it. So far nobody here can.
     
  3. WastedJoker

    WastedJoker 60 EU

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    3hrs grinding > back to town > transport to shakatu > switch to lifeskill alt do lifeskilling and do irl stuff > switch back to main > Lohan's Villa > back to shakatu > transport to grind spot > switch to lifeskill alt do lifeskilling and do irl stuff etc etc
     
  4. Aori

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    It isn't so much the grind but the variation of grind. The options are truly limited and for an MMO there is almost no content worth grouping for. That is the real problem with the game.
     
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  5. iller

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    Well yeah that, and the A.I. has no variety or even really any "Skills" scripted into it.

    While Guildwars1 wasn't an actual MMO, its a CLASSIC example of just how little work actually has to go into making enemy groups seem Smart by setting up simple "Patrols", allowing for chain-aggro, and giving the mobs powerful Interrupts, Debuffs, and Enchantment-Stripping that requires the player to adapt and alter their playstyle so they're constantly feeling like they're learning new encounters as they explore around the world. I think BDO's PvE would have been at least 3x more engaging if it just had similar mechanics scripted in

    You're missing the point of your own thread. "Begging the Question" Philosophically as you have, is intellectually dishonest of you in the first place when the title purports a much fairer discussion. "Waste of Time" cannot be empirically proven, it is a subjective and you've cited no metrics in which to even compare what YOUR time is worth versus what the average MMO'ers time is worth.

    If you expect some kind of absolute then do no go into the Thread with subjectives and then get MAD when people offer you advice that contradicts your assertions. Be honest about your rage quitting Agenda. I'd personally love nothing more than to Quit this time vampire myself but so far it hasn't proven itself vastly more unreasonable than the rest of its competition (in exchange for the amount of compulsion it continues to offer for Free)
     
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  6. Natsett

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    I'd like them to look at what the lineage 2 team did over the years, as far as content.

    The grind is always going to be there, and it serves more purpose than "just mindlessly getting levels". Some people actually like farming for rare drops, others don't actually mind killing mobs but prefer to move around a bit. I don't mind farming mobs, I don't like farming the same mobs endlessly.

    Lineage 2 ended up with a bunch of different dungeons you could go into, as well as overworld locations that were viable farming locations. I'd like to see PA take a page from NCsoft and do the same.

    Even instanced dungeons wouldn't be bad, as long as they're shared instances that support solo and group play where everyone can enter. More bounty styled quests from NPC's that have you go out and kill mosnters to collect a thing you turn in to them for either combat EXP or CP EXP.
     
  7. 2Cents

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    Aakman, Hyst?
     
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  8. HeaveHoe

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    This must be the only mmo youve played. The grind in this game is beyond reasonable.
     
  9. Andaro

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    actually no, ive played well over a hundred titles, dating all the way back to diablo days on dialup.
    this game is no where near as grindy as my 8year game
     
  10. Fire of

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    I see this posted a lot on the forums and I have to ask how long did they spend grinding over that period of 4 weeks? Was it an hour or two a day or a 6+ hours a day.
     
  11. Smileybones

    Smileybones Ranger 57 NA

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    People who brag about fast levelling spend a lot of time every day. I use to do my daily hour almost every day and I can tell you than 56-60 isn't fast at all.
     
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  12. Natsett

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    Even better question would be how much they paid for the leveling service.
     
  13. Poko

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    I recently leveled one of my alts and was getting like 25% an hour at 56 after the change.... Too slow?

    Ill agree 58-60 takes some time if u play casually as I do, but it still gives u a purpose. Once ur 61 level its much more boring because u realistically arent getting 62 so ur just grinding for money.
     
  14. Otrsor

    Otrsor Sorceress 61 EU

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    Is there a way that you know that doesnt make you waste ur life? Are you a christian and thus devoted to the church or any other kind of random religion and its own random transcendence crap?

    What i mean is that living is just living, you will die and it probably wont matter at all, there's literally no way of wasting a life cos theres no point on living anyways. (no point on not living/dying either)

    Aka what iller said his last 2 paragraphs

    Also the grind is not so bad, the combat system is entertaining on itself and the open word pvp is what makes leveling fun, thrilling and entertaining(for me at least, it's also the reason why this game has to be an mmo) and thats why death penalties should be on EVERY SINGLE DEAD and there shouldnt be pearlcrap tears. Anyways you are a *****, if you dont like the thrill of owpvp neither the mindless grind that part of the game is just not for you, no one is forcing you to level anyways, get an axe and a musket, be inside of a flame tower or lead an elephant, leveling is completly optional for experiencing the whole game but high end "skill fights" which are clear you dont actually like anyways or you wouldnt mind the grind + the fights.

    Another important thing is that leveling is the same for everyone, if you play 2 hours a day and another guy plays 6h he will still level at the same speed, if you cannot play for 6 hours a day you will have to play 3x days to be on the same spot and thats as fair as it gets, softcaps are the ultimate catch up mechanic meaning you will eventually reach the same step the other guy is cos the time he will need to do the next step will be longer than the time you will need to get where he is, just keep playing and you will be there.
     
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  15. Vyky

    Vyky Maehwa 58 EU

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    Yes it is very kind to state like this: it is korean mmo, and the problem solved. And nobody asking why?

    You work like an operator in an assembly plant in this game in your free time after the real work and finally you have already payed for this. Like a slave in the real world after you go home and playing another slave in a game, that should be entertaining. Like the modern capitalism, or the old socialism. Work more, pay more, work more, pay more, endlessly. It is the "modern" virtual slavery. Do you enjoy it?
    After a year of playing, this is my statement. After a while you can say, yes but it is sandbox, yes but it is korean, yes but it is grindy, of course, but hey people, do you really enjoy it? I guess not.
    Besides the pvp there is no entartaining pve group content in this game even with this Kama region with Altar of Training too. Be at least 60-61-62, be on whatever highest gear score you can to survive. What the hell is this? End-game you say. Ok thanks, but what for? For exp? For gear? For money? Some kind of rare stuff? Oh yes you can say go to Rift then. Ok killing waves of mobs nice. What an entrtaining night coming up again!

    And this is the top korean mmo!
    A single player rp game has much better story telling, is much more entertaining like this hidden "multiplayer" grind for your life fest.
     
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  16. Purrbulous

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    Honestly im very anti grinding and my love for PvP is above anything else but even i have to agree that as someone whose anti grinding, id find it far more tolerable if it were fun or challenging.
    I remember most of grinding MMORPGs i used to play as a child ages ago werent this boring as it is in BDO. Even in Rohan: Blood Feud you needed the holy trinity for grinding - a tank who can pull, taunt and tank the mobs, a healer who heals the entire party and 3 DPS. There was no solo ******** in dungeons where you grinded and because of that grinding wasnt actualy that bad.
     
  17. Otrsor

    Otrsor Sorceress 61 EU

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    I do, dont you?



    What do you live for? No matter what you answer ill say that you are wrong and that u're wasting ur life, check mate.
     
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  18. Vyky

    Vyky Maehwa 58 EU

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    This pve "bullsht" can be easily solve, can make much more enteratining. Just put leveling steps in the leveling process. For example: 56 is the most interesting part of your leveling because you get the third type of weapon which gives different kind of gameplay, ok we all know that. Make a raid on this level with an entry level gear score, 20 man raid, with brain, logic, tactics, mechanics like cannons, doors, traps, mounts, ect. Next step could be on 58, 60, 62 and so on. Give the wold boss gear to these raid bosses, make them for guilds and not for open world. This open world boss killing is a joke.
     
  19. Purrbulous

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    Yup have to agree that there are so many ways to make it all a lot more interesting but as always this is a game made by asians. They have some very freaky culture in their gaming world when it comes to grinding, gear upgrades and what actualy is fun and what is a chore.

    There are so many good ways to improve this game, to make the leveling far more enjoyable but as i said that asian developers do not share the western world views at all.
     
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  20. Ciccina

    Ciccina Sorceress NA

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    It's a Korean MMO. If you don't like it, go play WoW or SWTOR so you can buy tokens to instantly go from level 1 to max level.
     

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