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Discussion in 'General Gameplay' started by Anvorka, Jul 5, 2020.
331, wiz succ is still the most imbalance thing ever.
331 dp and u complain about being blown up. Cute. Nhf.
Yah, wizard succ aint problem with that right? They just teleport 24/7 and throw one hit fire balls everywhere is all balanced right?
Im not succession wizard and random warrior jerk0ff with basically entry level gear for today standards can walk through me with my 359 nouver or 370 kutum like its nothing.
Warrior has block, mobility and ability to kill 400dp targets with 269ap. There's no other class like that. Somehow warriors doesn't care about evasion/dr/dp stats at all in my experience.
Yet so far people are complaining about succession wizards.
Get 750 evasion atleast and succession wizard will do 0 dmg to you, they got no accuracy at all.
There's your counter for that problem, but yet so far people are here complaining with entry level gear (269/330) and think that's somewhat endgame gear by nowadays standards.
The new meta is to have TET distortions with 269ap (evasion offhand or dr/accuracy <-- warrior, dk etc.) and still maintain 269ap with 370dp and have lots of evasion or dr.
That's the point when you start seeing which classes are really op and which are not.
Any class can be OP in the entry levels in the right hands, lets say (277/330). At the entry levels its more like git gud issues and people are bashing their heads to the wall for no reason.
But when you get in to the end game, you start realising which classes are really unbalanced and which are balanced.
I can tell warrior is the most unbalanced class atm. Succession wizards fall off harshly in the late game, because they got no accuracy at all.
Does it really mater what class is overpowered and what class isn't in a RNG casino simulator?
If you're playing this game for balanced PVP, you should have your head examined.
Hello there Wizard main with succ. You are also very unbalanced high damage 24/7 teleports everything u good at 1v1 or 1vX while Warriors still struggle in large scale. Since u defend Wizard so much i'm pretty sure you are one of those.
It all makes perfect sense though.......... It's the laziest design possible. (If you look throughout BDO history it's how everything is done)
The correct meta would be far more complex. It would be debuff based, with assisting, picking specific targets, having defined roles, and using CC's properly. Especially pertaining to large scale fights. Rooting, Snaring, Sleeping, Mes, Stun, Heal, Fear are essential parts of a large scale fight.
None of that applies to BDO it's literally the worst slop design you can do. That makes sense though when it's a cash grab and the customers don't care about quality. Remember people don't pay for quality in BDO they pay for either removing annoyances like weight restrictions OR to save time. At no point does quality become a consideration in their purchase. Thus there is very little quality in the game.
The way to win large scale fights in L2 used to be AOE sleep, fear, silence etc. Assisting was mandatory. If you didn't assist properly you would automatically lose. You would do a bunch of spread out damage and not really kill single targets.
In BDO it's a sht show about riding a pathetic PA ball and aoeing down massive groups like it's a MOBA.
There is many problems with the game but I think they are moving in the right direction.
The issue here is most players don't truly understand what DR is and what evasion is.
They are missing a major part of the mechanics most go full evasion and OR Tet armour with DP accessories and can not figure out why they are paper.
Even with Ap being Meta and accuracy nerfs with damage increase balance we just got knowing how to block use super armor/frontal guard trying NOT to be KD is a major key. But once your KD even most with 380 dp will take a beating.
The next step in this line of thinking is to understand what the dead God armor is going to add.
The current content for evasion.
Leaburs,dimtree,muskans,heve and kutum <---- the problem with this build is that until you are Full PEN at lv 20 caphras (on all 4 peices) and Minimum lv11 on kutum you dont have the DR (310dr sheet) required to be able to survive KD and combo by somone up to 280ap. The dead God armor corrects the above by making evasion builds attainable 310+ dr. Much much earlier.
Up to the above point I have been preaching to deaf ears (specifically the ass hats in mystic discord) you need to do a hybrid max build to recoup the DR needed to attain the 310 dr or get closer to it. All the while gaining the most evasion possible.
Leaburs,dimtree,heve, uragons and kutum
Leaburs,dimtree,griffin,muskans and kutum.
At a certain point you would be able to move into other things like level 11 caphras on main hand or awakening then moving to secils and centars<---- for the evasion once you start looking at Pen accessories.
But again this is end game, the issue is that most players are looking at this game from Tet armor with maybe a Pen heve and or full DR build that your evasion is so low that your getting hit by everything and taking full damage.
My intention was not to make this long winded but unless your talking about your DP and you are full pen with at least lv 9-11 caphras your no where near even considering a discussion on what should be done about DP and DR in this game becouse we will keep going round the hampster wheel.. AP damage is too much adjust DP... oh DP is too much lets adjust Damage again ... oh Dp is not enough YOU GET MY POINT I HOPE.
I think the problem is that ap/dp seems to scale differently for every class.
that just seems like a train wreck in itself to me.
There is absolutely no solution provided anywhere in your analysis. The idea that people are using TET references for end game is simply wrong. Additionally, relying on a gear score that over 99% of the player base will never achieve (even end game players) is a complete failure.
This is also only in regards to 1v1. As soon as group play is introduced everyone just gets smashed instantly regardless of equipment, level, etc.
The inevitable: This trash game play is the best BDO will ever have. If they fixed DR/Eva it would just make the game even worse. People would abuse things like Iframe spam and become disgustingly OP. Sht level design and coding would be even worse like Guardian Vs Non Grab classes.
BDO was never built on a foundation to have PVP thus "fixes" will only reveal just how broken everything is.
I’m curious what everyone is complaining about with DP.
Like I understand at certain brackets someone can become difficult to kill but if you’re not gonna build an accuracy set to counter the Eva or an ap heavy set to counter the DR, why cry about it?
There’s a fix for basically everything in BDO and there are specific builds designed for specific things.
I will say as an evasion witch I am admittedly as irritating to kill as a Shai is but that’s because I spent several hours of my personal time working on enhancing my evasion set or buying some of the accessories.
Right now I am 457 DP and 780 evasion unbuffed.
If you get enough ap heaven hitters on one DP meme you will eventually dwindle down their health and iframes.
Also have you ever considered that DP memes made their set because they don’t enjoy pvp...? Because that’s exactly why I made mine. I hate pvp outside of node wars so I always have my DP set on me in open world ready to tank and make people upset should they choose to flag on me.
You complain about DP when the reality is there isn’t anything wrong with it and the only thing that needs a looking at is the ap values and brackets.
DP is PvE stat and only used at high end thats been case for ever outside of couple of match ups in PvP if talking equal gear fights.
Since the major PvP changes they have steadily increased dmg in game and final nail in coffin was the removal of renown score. Renown was stupid mechanic. Provided DP from AP but in process we lost anywhere from 50-150 DR because of it and they adjusted efficiency of DR little bit which was no where near enough and after that there has not been place for DP.
the devs balance the game based on their spawned c20 gear, that's why it's so imbalanced in players eyes. everyone is at a different gear level, pvp in this game is never gonna be balanced unless they literally standardize gear, but then veterans just gonna leave because they have no need to keep chasing after higher gear, the game is broken at it's fundamental level and it's just gonna be how it is, either u accept it and keep chasing that impossible dream or you can quit the game and complain about it on the forum.
To simply expect BDO or developers to enhance the game and make soft cap DP equivalent to end game gear is all thats expected of lazy ass people that want everything just handed to them.. well look you are already getting it with season servers so wow you wont have to work so hard.
God forbid that any of you clowns actually have to work for it, grind for it, play the long game.. no if it is not in a box for free its to difficult i am guessing even opening your mail and collecting it from a box is prob to difficult.
Your not going to fight players that have attained 270-280+ ap that is literally only 20 ap off from endgame with TET armor. and yes i am pointing out the fact that a lot of people that complain here are between TET and maybe 1 or 2 pieces of PEN armor with zero caphras in it giving there opinions on how this game should work im sorry i hit a nerve snowflake but if you did not understand what i was saying about armor DP/DR and evasion then complaining this game is trash... your basically in the above category..
So move along because this topic is above your head and below your feet.
if they made caphras requirements WAY(like 1/3 what it is now) lower for pumping pen gear, there wouldnt be such huge gaps and balance would be easier. hell, maybe someone would even make a pen via caphras which they claimed would be a viable alternative.
again, the game is fundamentally designed so that players don't ever reach the max gear, so yeah what u are sayin is true, but it ain't ever gonna happen.
(also it's the reason why most of the bdo players at least that i know of only liked before pass 15 enhancement was introduced)
Best PVP game btw lol... I love having over 500 accuracy and still completely miss all my attack on an afk wizard, he then proceeds to 1 shot me at 339 DP with full buffs and super armor on.
Nothing new. PA never had idea how to balance this game. It's a shame the trash like this game gathered so big and overall stable community to play.
Try not to speculate things.
As someone who is around C20 and very high DP it wont matter how much DP you get especially after latest dmg increase. You still get 1-3 shotted now its just more classes can do that and even classes that can't 1 shot you will kill you way faster.
I run 382DP without any DP gear on its nothing but paper to players with 261->300 AP. Depends a lot of class but in the long run its just paper