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When Succession Witch/Wizard get nerf !!

Discussion in 'PvP' started by Nero87, May 23, 2020.

  1. Nero87

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    When Succession Witch/Wizard get nerf !!
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    God level mobility (2x teleport - Superarmor dash - Iframe earthquake)
    Massive aoe and single target damage
    360 degree so many skills (no need aim target )
    Imagine some characters name called Witch/Wizard with playing non cast skills
    2x heal and PA (Try to full your 10k hp with 275 hp pot every 2sec in siege instead of witch/wizard)
    Grinding without get any damage reason of orb skills.
     
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  2. Blitzball

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    Witch doesn’t have double teleport.
     
  3. farsay

    farsay Mystic 62 NA

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    you will find witch and wizards on the mystic forums asking for mystic nerfs, which is hilarious tbh lol
     
  4. WhySoSeeryus

    WhySoSeeryus Wizard 63 EU

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    i frame earthquake?
     
  5. AtomicPotato

    AtomicPotato DarkKnight 62 EU

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    Witch no nerf, Witch only cry for buffs, and PA always buffs. Most likely PA will buff every other class rather than nerf Witchards.
     
  6. WizardBelly

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    This post demonstrates that you have no knowledge on the classes of Witch and Wizard.

    First of all, Witch and Wiz succession do not have the same kit. Witch lacks the separate teleport, and does about half the DPS that wiz does because it cannot instant cast spells. Witch actually needs buffs since it's entire passive set relies on unprotected skills and it is near useless in 1v1, especially vs grab classes.

    What you are actually complaining about here is probably the Wizard Succession kit. Let me address each of you complaints now.

    > God level mobility (2x teleport - Superarmor dash - Iframe earthquake)

    There is no Iframe on earthquake. It is a superarmor with a large gap that any decent player can take advantage of. Thinking its an iframe demonstrates that you have no idea what you are talking about.

    As for the 2x teleport and the super armor dash: why should Wizards not deserve to have an iframe and a superarmor movement like most other classes do? Sorc has far more iframes and multiple FG movements. Ninja and Kuno have iframes on a much smaller cd than teleport, and blockjump etc.. Musa and Maehwa have spammable SA dashes, and an iframe dash. Tamer and Lahn can literally fly. Warrior with more than 200fps can basically teleport. Hopefully that's enough examples.

    Movement and positioning is a part of this game, and necessary with the prevalence of grabs, and its good and healthy that Wizard now has access some protected movement.

    Massive aoe and single target damage

    Agree with you here, the damage on some skills needs to be reduced, specifically Frigid Fog and Lightning Storm. Those two skills have too much damage for the utility that they provide. I could also get behind mild PvP damage reductions on more skills like Residual Lightning, Fireball, and Fireball Explosion.

    360 degree so many skills (no need aim target )

    Aiming is not a part of this game and never has been. Large AoE are part of the theme of Wizard.

    2x heal and PA (Try to full your 10k hp with 275 hp pot every 2sec in siege instead of witch/wizard)

    Heals are a part of the game and won't be changed. At least they are unprotected. The problem with the 10k HP is the fact that players get 10k HP to begin with.

    As for PA, I agree that it is problematic. Maybe bring it down to 50DP and make the CD a little shorter. Siege really does need to diversify.

    Grinding without get any damage reason of orb skills.

    I assume you are talking about the utility of Magic Lighthouse here. Witch and Wiz are good for grinding but not number 1. I think that for balancing its better to bring classes up in PvE rather than to nerf classes down (except for guardian lmao, **** guardian).

    I WASTED MY TIME DEBUNKING THIS BS REE

    To summarize: Succ Damage ought to be nerfed. Witch needs utility buffs. Your other points are just whining.
     
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  7. WhySoSeeryus

    WhySoSeeryus Wizard 63 EU

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    ahem.... in pve witch succ is actually higher dps coz of mma passive. it is the superior spec for grinding.
     
  8. WizardBelly

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    Barely. Witch has slightly higher concentrated damage. Wiz has more DPS in large AOE. Wiz Succ is better than Witch at all low end grind spots and also at Aakman. It is very close in Hystria and Star's End. Only place Witch succ seems to clearly pull ahead is in Sycraia, and even that is very close.
     
  9. sajdas

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    i feel like there a lot of information you lack about both classes...
    first, as already stated - only wizard have a real double tp in his kit.
    second, while the teleports are i-frame (and a long one actually) earthquake evasion is super armor while off cd and unprotected while on cd
    third, god level mobility? guardian have more mobility overall...
    "Grinding without get any damage reason of orb skills." - really? are you really complaining about an immobile class ways to survive while grinding?
     
  10. WhySoSeeryus

    WhySoSeeryus Wizard 63 EU

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    as i said - it is superior spec for grinding. why would you farm anything beside sycaria if u can do it well?

    and its also gonna be better in odylitta it would seem, for its higher single target dps.
     
  11. Bennib Schneetzler

    Bennib Schneetzler Schneetzler Wizard 63 EU

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    mobility: you never played vs. sorc, kuno, dk or zerg? if you think, wiz got a "god level mobility" what is with the other 3 classes for example?
    dmg: only if you got gear. guardia for example didnt need gear and can kill player with a combo for a 4 year old children.
    heal: not one got sa and you cant hit somebody. heal from zerg for example can you stif from 5 meters. but hey, zerg got a buff, its ok.
    all in all the nerfs would come for the most classes. for witch and wizards to. but befor you start crying, learn your own class. if you press only braindead some skillrotation you cant win. but hey, lahn and zerg got buffs. cant understand it
     
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  12. Dexo 2

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    Sure wiz has a really good mobillity now im fine with that but just looking at his skills its almost as pre 2018 cc changes class, almost every skill is sa + cc and insane amount of dmg with insta cast. You also have sooo many buffs like mana shield, insta self heals and pa. Talk about BS. Succ is too strong in every single aspect of the game and needs nerfs..
     
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    Even though succ wiz is pretty op it would be hard to justify nerfing anything as long as gaurdian maintains his current state.
     
  14. Dexo 2

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    They both on the same level and both needs nerfs
     
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  15. GuiltGuy

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    Very simple. After wizard succession uses the teleport, the damage is reduced by 80%. Balance.
     
  16. WhySoSeeryus

    WhySoSeeryus Wizard 63 EU

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    u just described how ninja/kuno stealth should work for 10 sec after breaking
     
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  17. GuiltGuy

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    You can nerf ninja stealth. Give a debuff after stealth. Ninja doesn't need that. lol
    Ninja has been asking to remove stealth in exchange for op protected cc like ........ succession wizard and DK do.

    Who needs stealth? It was not 2 years ago.

    Nerf stealth to whatever you like. Or remove it.

    But meanwhile NERF INTERNAL MOBILITY OF WIZARD. Here are 2 suggestions:
    1 reduce the damage by 80% after use of teleport. or
    2 reduce the distance of movement to the level of ninja succession (alear stance) lol.

    It is time for liars to feel the pain.

    Meanwhile, nerf all the pvp damage of protected CC for ALL CLASSES. For balance based on utility of skills, the grab and protected cc should have the lowest damage. Unprotected cc/SA without cc should have moderate or higher damage. But somehow this game.. so yeah!
     
  18. WhySoSeeryus

    WhySoSeeryus Wizard 63 EU

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    your suggestions just feel like salt.

    it would be better to say, hey, now awk wizards need buffs to be playable! :D
     
  19. GuiltGuy

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    In the name of balance, all classes should be nerfed to the level of awakening ninja including awakening wizard.

    And awakening wizard need buff? You dream. They should also nerf the damage of awakening wizard to the level of awakening ninja.

    I can tell you. Now succession wizard is MORE BROKEN THAN SORCER
    Before we get down to any further, can anyone explain WHY PROTECTED CC SHOULD HAVE THE DAMAGE HIGHER THAN UNPROTECTED CC OR SA SKILLS?
     
  20. WhySoSeeryus

    WhySoSeeryus Wizard 63 EU

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    whats wrong with awakening ninja? :D good ones are still peoples nightmares.
     

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